Southernskies wrote:
No they wouldn't, as you can only get 1 skill point at each step.
Since both of those Archetypes have a fairly free choice of skills, they can take something else there.
But it only says "may" not "must" or "does." Obviously if you take the talent after character creation even a martial or expert would get the extra point (since that clause only specifies "if this talent is chosen during hero creation..." so it seems wrong to penalize one for taking it during creation vs. other times.
Of course, the 4 skill point max would still apply during character creation, but I would think this skill point could be one of them as well as the one gained from archetype.