HeridFel wrote:
Two Arrow Shot is not very good. That tends to happen with a lot of the heroic talents, which cost twice as much as a basic talent, have more onerous purchasing requirements (no more heroic talents than greater talents, which require at least that many basic talents), and whose effects often have drawbacks in addition to their benefits.
I can see the point in 1st ed, since that's about the only way you could get two attacks/round with a single weapon. But since 2nd ed gives you more appealing, I figure it needs an overhaul.
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For example, Armor Piercing Shot says that it requires a -2d wager to ignore worn armor. The highest armor value listed in the book (for worn armor, not natural armor) is -3d. Since that also comes with a substantial defense penalty, most people will wear armor for -1d. Giving up two of your attack dice for an effective +1 damage wouldn't be worth it for a basic talent, let alone a heroic talent. Same for Incredible Reflexes - when Expertise (Reflexes) adds +1d to all Reflexes rolls, is an extra 50 survivor points worth an additional +1 bonus to a subset of those rolls? Probably not.
Hmm...my impression was that APS was meant to be used with Master Marksman to offset that wager. But yeah, that's a lot of trouble for 1d of damage.
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The only heroic talents which are worth their cost in survivor points are the gateway talents (allowing access to a heroic fighting style or sorcerous tradition) and possibly the "+1d to all rolls in a skill area" talents if you use at least two of those skills regularly and haven't already bought Expertise for any of them.
Interesting. Kinda mad at myself for not digging deeper into the talents during the prepublication editing cycle. But since I was only passingly familiar with the rules at that point... Either way, I'm curious if some of this will be addressed in the WHR campaign document, or if it would make a good community project (assuming the community cares, seeing as any updates wouldn't be available for WHR play.
Anyone care to offer a different perspective?
Tom