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| Author: | val Holryn [ Wed May 27, 2020 1:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
I assume that the 4 Dragons referenced include JS. If not then there is an unnamed True Dragon running around in the shadows somewhere. I am only aware of three of them. Greenie, Blue, and the undead one. Okay. Discovering that the Dragons were agents of the Silence *would* fundamentally change the way that I look at them. But I really don't think this is true, despite the three reasonable points TooDeep listed. We have had some limited contact with two of the True Dragons over the years and they just don't feel like the Silence. I am not entirely sure what other options are out there. I don't really doubt that they are extraplanar in some capacity. But to discover that they are celestial, fiendish or elemental doesn't change much about the facts on the ground or how I look at them in or out of character. Mostly out of sight, out of mind. Eat cities when angry. Weakly allied with Ssethregore. What's left? The Fractured Depths? Again, *really* doesn't feel right. That covers most of the planes except the "Primal Chaos" of the core of the Universe? (well allegedly see Sorcerous Pacts) ... To my knowledge we have nothing concrete to compare against the True Dragons, so I guess this is possible. The only reference to the agents of Chaos are from the "earth lord" Gorum and he just says they want to melt and rebuild creation in search of perfection. No comments on what they look like or what powers they wield. Is there any evidence that the Dragons seek to destroy and remake Arcanis? That should anger the Varn (among a lot of others), but I don't really see any evidence of that. Or for that matter any evidence that the True Dragons could even if they wanted to. Ssssoooo.... Going to put a chip down on something else and wait to see what new puzzle pieces eventually turn up. |
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| Author: | Southernskies [ Wed May 27, 2020 2:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
If Yig is the 'mother of the world', then the four *known* surviving True Dragons could be either the four elements (air, earth, fire and water) or if there used to be more, various eastern philosophies could apply. Buddhism: earth, water, fire, air and space Chinese: Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, and Water However, that throws up: who managed to kill the other True Dragons and when? Gets messier, as we now need to also accommodate Kassegore and Jeggal Sagg into the cosmology. Kassegore could then be 'the Other' and leader of the Silence. Jeggal Sagg could be the real mate of Yig... <brain hurts> |
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| Author: | toodeep [ Wed May 27, 2020 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
I don't think that the True Dragons are descended from Kassegore and Yig per the dreams provided by Jeggal Sag. In terms of cosmology, I think we are seeing different faiths putting different spins on things. Ssethregore has the primary dieties of Destruction and Creation (though Yig needs Kassegore to really create things, so maybe this is a bad axis) PoM has Earth - Sun Belisarda may be part of a Life-Death (Nayal) axis. With other gods tucked of fundamental concepts tucked in around (like Yarris) or maybe serving on lesser axis of earth vs. air, fire vs water. The same 12-16 (Say) gods may be serving in different aspects in different faiths, but who is "on top" (or even included) may be a function of the design of that races faith. I really haven't worked it out as a full concept yet, but that's the direction I'm playing with. These are the things that traditional ancient religions gave a lot of power to. |
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| Author: | Southernskies [ Wed May 27, 2020 9:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
Maybe something like the Rose of the Prophet, with each being an aspect of the cosmic jewel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_the_Prophet If the current deities are a d12, the Varn are the edges of the die forcing a reroll. |
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| Author: | The Vault [ Sat May 30, 2020 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
toodeep wrote: Bonus question: from the quote from the new book - one of 4 known true dragons on Arcanis? Who are the 4? She wouldn't be counting Jeggal Sag so there is Astinax, Villa’tavorentes, and the undead dragon - who's the 4th? The undead one is called Luqun'qun'ovn and he was a Blue dragon Codex Arcanis pages 161-162 I can't find the passage from my memory on the 4th dragon. The passage was short, and the very last word was cut off, it was written in the style of found text that was damaged. The passage implied the dragon was a Black Dragon, and it is located in the The Blackwood. |
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| Author: | PCIHenry [ Sat May 30, 2020 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
Hello all, Just so you all don't go nuts looking for information that doesn't exist in published form, the 4th True Dragon was one that was released in an adventure that was never released, but may be in the future. Also, don't give too much importance to the whole, Blue, Green, etc., color dragons. Remember, many of these references were written when I was trying to conform with standard D&D practices and have long been abandoned by me. |
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| Author: | The Vault [ Sun May 31, 2020 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeggal Sagg (and Belisarda...) |
Thanks Henry. Based on that new info. I'm wiling to believe the dragon that is implied to live in the The Blackwood is actually Luqun'qun'ovn, rather than a possible 5th True Dragon. Villa'tavorentes was locked in the Sealed Lands Astinax was in the Kraldjur Morass recovering The 4th dragon had never been written about. That left us with 1 known dragon Luqun'qun'ovn who hasn't been seen since the Dragon War and 2 passages about an Ancient Dragon in the Blackwood (Legacy of Damnation pg 37 and Codex Arcanis 2nd Ed. pg 118) The Legacy of Damnation mentioned the dragon is bound, that sounds more like Villa'tavorentes except the Blackwood is on the wrong side of the God's Wall. I still can't find the third passage. I recall it mentioned a dangerous mist flowing from the mouth of the Black River as it entered the Sealed Lands. |
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