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- November 26, 2013 at 6:04 am #150329AnonymousInactive
My character is from the pirate isles. I was wondering how I should define his religious sect for spells like channeling and such. I’ve gotten some conflicting answers, I just want to know for sure.
Thanks.
November 26, 2013 at 7:51 am #252520frootsnaxParticipantPirate Isles is potentially all over the map. But not homogenous. You should pick one that fits your PC. I personally would default to Mother Church for someone who is more or less secular or the Arcanis version of Agnostic.
November 26, 2013 at 1:59 pm #252522AnonymousInactivePirate Isles is potentially all over the map. But not homogenous. You should pick one that fits your PC. I personally would default to Mother Church for someone who is more or less secular or the Arcanis version of Agnostic.
Unless you enjoy drinking, partying, carousing, etc. Then it’s probably the Milandric Church for you. Kelb recently converted to Milandric

John
November 27, 2013 at 5:31 am #252552frootsnaxParticipantPirate Isles is potentially all over the map. But not homogenous. You should pick one that fits your PC. I personally would default to Mother Church for someone who is more or less secular or the Arcanis version of Agnostic.
Unless you enjoy drinking, partying, carousing, etc. Then it’s probably the Milandric Church for you. Kelb recently converted to Milandric

John
Okay this is one of my pet bugbears. The milandesian branch of the mother church (pre schism) was MUCH more socially conservative than their Coryani counterparts. The scroll found on behalf of Elandre have actually moved the Coryani branch closer to the practices in Milandir. On the whole, its my opinion that the coryani outlook is still more libertine.
However “tampering” in any way with illuminated scrolls gave Sabinius (aka the Fat Coryani) a pretext to gain independence … and whatever virtues Elandre has, she’s not a shrewd compromiser (and further has always seen Milandir as a backwater). As a result she fumbled any chance to keep Osric in the fold. If she had been an active part in the crusade she would have been in a position to launch a reconciliation following the deaths of Sabinius and then Osric.
November 27, 2013 at 12:42 pm #252553AnonymousInactiveUnless you enjoy drinking, partying, carousing, etc. Then it’s probably the Milandric Church for you. Kelb recently converted to Milandric

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Okay this is one of my pet bugbears. The milandesian branch of the mother church (pre schism) was MUCH more socially conservative than their Coryani counterparts. The scroll found on behalf of Elandre have actually moved the Coryani branch closer to the practices in Milandir. On the whole, its my opinion that the coryani outlook is still more libertine.
I agree with Eric. The relative positions of the churches still also have to consider the broader cultures in which they operate. Milandir is still far more conservative than the Coryani Empire. The Mother Church may have reined in some of the excesses for the pious, but I don’t see the fundamentals changing.
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November 27, 2013 at 1:43 pm #252555AnonymousInactiveI’ve heard competing opinions on this and it would be nice to get a PCI response on these. That said, based upon my character’s history (Background related to the founding of the scrolls) and the clamping down of Coryan on the excesses, Kelb converted to Milandric Church.
John
November 27, 2013 at 2:24 pm #252559AnonymousInactiveI’ve heard competing opinions on this and it would be nice to get a PCI response on these. That said, based upon my character’s history (Background related to the founding of the scrolls) and the clamping down of Coryan on the excesses, Kelb converted to Milandric Church.
John,
Agreed on getting an answer from PCI. Makes sense for Kelb.
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November 27, 2013 at 2:55 pm #252560AnonymousInactiveRemember a few things re: the Mother Church –
1) The Mother Church is not a unified whole, but rather a Confederation of aligned Churches which all have a ‘seat’ on the ‘church council.’ I personally view it as close to the United Nations than the United States insofar as how resolutions at the top trickle down into the specific churches.
2) Elandre’ is, ultimately, an Illiirite. Her policies are codified in the Church of Illiir, and she seems to be trying to make them carry through to the other churches. But like the debates between the likes of Hiraksu val’Ishi and Nephasser val’Mordane during the First Conclave of the Divine which led to the compromise which exists–in one way or another–to the modern day.
3) Elandre’s apparent dislike of Larissans should be fairly well known (at least at higher circles), so many would probably view her efforts in this regard as little more than her targeting those drunken hedonists.
As such, Elandre’ is clamping down on the Illiirites, and TRYING (and, from my read, failing) to clamp down on anyone else.
November 27, 2013 at 8:49 pm #252575frootsnaxParticipantI’ve heard competing opinions on this and it would be nice to get a PCI response on these. That said, based upon my character’s history (Background related to the founding of the scrolls) and the clamping down of Coryan on the excesses, Kelb converted to Milandric Church.
John
Which makes perfect sense. Especially in the pirate isles which are not exactly a religious mecca. Anything that happens on the mainland is going to get distorted through a game of “telephone.”
November 27, 2013 at 8:56 pm #252577frootsnaxParticipantRemember a few things re: the Mother Church –
1) The Mother Church is not a unified whole, but rather a Confederation of aligned Churches which all have a ‘seat’ on the ‘church council.’ I personally view it as close to the United Nations than the United States insofar as how resolutions at the top trickle down into the specific churches.
2) Elandre’ is, ultimately, an Illiirite …snip snip snip …
As such, Elandre’ is clamping down on the Illiirites, and TRYING (and, from my read, failing) to clamp down on anyone else.
I agree with that. Except the Mother Church (not the Temples) controls the Inquisition and the framework that different temples work out their differences. In theory I think the MC is supposed to be the honest broker between temples. Elandre may be slowly undermining that. On the other hand I think Elandre is not just whistling in the wind and IS having a cultural impact. But you are definitely right that the sensates are not just rolling over
November 28, 2013 at 4:49 am #252584drafitParticipantHello,
I’ve heard competing opinions on this and it would be nice to get a PCI response on these.
Not sure exactly what I’m being asked to opine about, since quite a few topics have been bandied about on this thread, so I’ll address the OP question, Religion in the Pirate Isles.
Short answer: There isn’t an organized religion on the Pirate Isles.
That’s the whole point of the Pirate Isles – people go there to escape questions. Its a lawless and no-questions-asked type of place. Neither the Mother Church nor the Milandric Church have an official presence there. There may be an itinerant priest or two wandering around, but those are just as likely looking for sanctuary than offering it to anyone.
Oh and as an aside: The Pirate Isles, in the ARG updated version, is modeled after the pirates of the Mediterranean Sea during the time of Pompey and Caesar and not on the Pirates of the Caribbean.
Aside #2: Yes – the Milandric Church is much more conservative and stoic than the Mother Church of Coryan.
November 28, 2013 at 9:13 am #252586AnonymousInactiveInteresting. After reading Henry’s statement that the pirates of the Pirate Isles are modeled off the Mediterranean pirates of late antiquity (the time of Pompey the Great and Julius Caesar), I did a quick Wikipedia search on the topic. Most enlightening. Based on what I read I see adventure possibilities and would suggest prospective mod writers do some research. I think a Pirate Isles mod or two would be quite popular with Arcaniacs.
November 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm #252589AnonymousInactiveHello,
I’ve heard competing opinions on this and it would be nice to get a PCI response on these.
Aside #2: Yes – the Milandric Church is much more conservative and stoic than the Mother Church of Coryan.
Actually this was the part that I was specifically asking about. The big question is have the canticles of Illir been officially integrated into Coryani Church Doctrine? The main book says ‘not yet’ but that was several years ago.
John
November 28, 2013 at 3:53 pm #252591drafitParticipantHello John,
The big question is have the canticles of Illir been officially integrated into Coryani Church Doctrine? The main book says ‘not yet’ but that was several years ago.
Yep – that is the question.
And until a sourcebook or adventure by me comes out with an answer, you’ll just have to keep wondering.
November 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm #252593AnonymousInactiveThat’s all good too. It was just important to my character in deciding which sect he was in. As an Altherian, he grew up in the mother Church. However in his background, his uncle was part of the Emerald Society expedition that uncovered the new scrolls. Other things happened and if they were actually integrated, Kelb was converting to Milandric Church after a long period because I interpreted the books as Coryan was becoming way more conservative. If that wasn’t the case there was less reason for his conversion.
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