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- December 14, 2015 at 1:08 am #152084AnonymousInactive
Question…
Can a non-caster put a summoning spell rune, specifically elemental guardian, on a weapon and gain the benefits of the summoned elemental? I ask because, Acturis would like to have a pet earth elemental around camp for digging holes and setting fence and hitching posts. After all, he needs a corral to keep all his horses in when he stops for the night and digging post holes himself is below his Coryani pay grade. Besides having a servant that can simply will the holes open and closed each morning and night, is just plain cool.
December 14, 2015 at 3:13 am #270509AnonymousInactiveI believe the answer is yes, you can. The Spell Rune allows you to functionally cast the spell without actually casting it, and you would gain the benefits of that spell. Of course, Elemental Guardian is an Elder Spell, and how many Elder runesmiths do you know?
December 14, 2015 at 3:34 am #270510frootsnaxParticipantDon’t have my books with me…heading to a Muse concert…but iirc you can only put a basic spell in a spell rune. I believed Elemental Guardian is a binding spell.
December 14, 2015 at 4:04 am #270511AnonymousInactiveRegardless, Spell runes
only work with non-unique spells and those with CTNs.I assume ‘unique’ means Exotic or Secret, but this is the only restriction I can see for the rune for Base, Sustained, etc.
That said. . .
Spells placed upon a weapon may only have
a range quality of (1 Target)An Elemental Guardian cannot have a target since it is an area.
December 14, 2015 at 2:56 pm #270513AnonymousInactiveSo, I think you are right Cody, I can only use that spell rune on a wand. So, I then have to ask, what is the bear minimum that Acturis needs to use that spell rune on a wand? Does he need prestidigitation with an edritch source? Rudimentary Casting? Arcane spell casting? Or can he use the spell rune on a wand as a stand alone single use item?
Thanks!
December 14, 2015 at 4:09 pm #270515AnonymousInactiveI think anything that specifically makes him choose a Source that normally uses a wand would qualify him to use a wand with the Spell Rune.
December 14, 2015 at 9:43 pm #270516AnonymousInactiveSo if I understand it correctly Prestidigitation alone allows a PC to declare and eldritch source?
Ok. so assuming that that is correct I will move on to my next question….
If I plan to use the elemental to dig holes and trenches. Is it fair to assume an Earth Elemental can dig a single 5’*5’*5′ hole, with a 5’*5’*5′ berm on one side as a single demanding action? Keep in mind the Elementals Burrow Speed is 20′ Feet. So they clearly can dig faster than I am asking, but if I’m asking it to be careful, it seems that would require an interruptable action.
As for why, Acturis doesn’t feel safe in the wild unless his camp is fortified. Harkens back to the comfort and safty of the legion’s command section. Any how there have been too many midnight attacks of late. (Curse you mod writers as even the Inns aren’t safe at night) So, I’m mostly trying to bench mark how much time it would take to fortify a marching camp in the Coryani style.
December 14, 2015 at 10:18 pm #270517AnonymousInactiveSo if I understand it correctly Prestidigitation alone allows a PC to declare and eldritch source?
Ok. so assuming that that is correct I will move on to my next question….
If I plan to use the elemental to dig holes and trenches. Is it fair to assume an Earth Elemental can dig a single 5’*5’*5′ hole, with a 5’*5’*5′ berm on one side as a single demanding action? Keep in mind the Elementals Burrow Speed is 20′ Feet. So they clearly can dig faster than I am asking, but if I’m asking it to be careful, it seems that would require an interruptable action.
As for why, Acturis doesn’t feel safe in the wild unless his camp is fortified. Harkens back to the comfort and safty of the legion’s command section. Any how there have been too many midnight attacks of late. (Curse you mod writers as even the Inns aren’t safe at night) So, I’m mostly trying to bench mark how much time it would take to fortify a marching camp in the Coryani style.
Sounds like the module writers now need to write in more midnight flash floods that only harm those camping in 5x5x5 holes with 5′ berms around them to hold in the water…
Though that does make me wonder if an similarly summoned air elemental or something could be used to divert rain and keep you dry. Seems like something some kind of elemental should be able to do in a light or moderate rain, and it would be a really cool visual effect that keeps you comfortable, while at the same time screaming “harvest me now, ymandrakes!” Bou won’t they be disappointed when they grab you and take you back only to find out its a silly rune on a wand. I bet they’ll give you all kind of tentacles and stuff after that.
December 14, 2015 at 10:41 pm #270519AnonymousInactiveNote that using a Spell Rune on a wand is not the same as being able to use a wand to boost your own casting (the effects are different). A Martial with no Arcanum skill at all can use a Spell Rune.
A Fine Rune is a utility elemental (1 Stamina)
An Exceptional Rune is a combat elemental (with T.1 bonuses; not very useful by the time you can get it).
A Legendary Rune would add nothing due to the adaptations available and CTN limit.Finding an Eldritch Runesmith however…
December 14, 2015 at 11:13 pm #270520AnonymousInactiveSounds like the module writers now need to write in more midnight flash floods that only harm those camping in 5x5x5 holes with 5′ berms around them to hold in the water…
Though that does make me wonder if an similarly summoned air elemental or something could be used to divert rain and keep you dry. Seems like something some kind of elemental should be able to do in a light or moderate rain, and it would be a really cool visual effect that keeps you comfortable, while at the same time screaming “harvest me now, ymandrakes!” Bou won’t they be disappointed when they grab you and take you back only to find out its a silly rune on a wand. I bet they’ll give you all kind of tentacles and stuff after that.
It may be paranoia, but my head is full of wispers of a campaign staff conspiracy….
December 15, 2015 at 3:13 am #270534AnonymousInactiveCody is correct in his answer. Also, remember that Sorcery runes are specialized to the spell. Common sense should dictate that the particular runesmith you find should (presumably) be able to cast the spell. We do not list them out for each instance…but, Cody said, you either need and elder runesmith or have an elder caster assisting the runesmith. (of course, i am sure Elorii elders or Malfelans might be interested in finding out if there are elder casters who are giving access to Elorii magics to “lesser” races).
December 15, 2015 at 3:49 am #270537AnonymousInactiveOr find a Dwarven Runesmith (who can inscribe any rune without the spell prereqs).
I had worked up one to play before I found out they were illegal for campaign play.
December 15, 2015 at 5:25 pm #270545AnonymousInactiveI was told at one point that one of the greatest runesmiths in the known world was in the first city, and that we could purchase any rune we wanted in modules that start in the first city. That is the information I’ve been working off of with my purchases. In response to this thread, I managed to get my hands on a first city module and found that all it says in the module is:
Runesmiths
In a small series of interconnected buildings marked prominently with an arcane sigil works the most learned Runemaster of the First City, Elothym Varythrin of Capharra, and his small group of
journeymen and apprentices.Which is pretty nonspecific to what can be done and what can’t. I would assume pretty much all divine spells (and sarishan) can be gotten in runes, considering that priests of all types are common in the first city. I would assume most arcane casters might be more cagey about offering their services. But those are only assumptions, and different people assume radically different things. Should there be a ruling about runes? Is it pretty much true that we can get any non-spell rune that we might want?
December 15, 2015 at 5:28 pm #270546AnonymousInactiveThanks for clearing that up guys. Given the story difficulties in aquiring this item I don’t see Acturis putting forth the effort anymore. I’m trying to do something Acturis would do as he currently exists. That is to say what a coryani lapdog would do. Looks like I’m back to slaves with shovels.
December 15, 2015 at 6:48 pm #270548AnonymousInactiveSome adventures specify what a runesmith can do, and some should be common sense I would think. For example, if you are in Savona, you almost certainly will not be able to find someone who could scribe a Fire Dragon-specific rune. Naeraanth, maybe. Lampeltis, definitely. but Savona, no. Similarly, having specific Elder Spells (especially uniquely Elder Spells) scribed outside of Ssethregore or the Elorii nations will be rather difficult to find I would think.
This doesn’t mean it is impossible to get one, and in the living campaign we may just say “sure, you can do it” for simplicity (I can’t promise this is what the answer will be, however). However, it is something to consider when choosing your runes.
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