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| Author: | Taffy [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | HP 1-10 Desecration |
Hi all Just a quick question on the gauntlet with the spiritbane rune that can be taken by the PCs at the end While it does not say, is the Gauntlet exceptional? The Spiritbane rune must be exceptional to be placed on a weapon so it makes sense. Also the rune is T2 (i think). Does that mean it can not be used until the PC is Tier 2? thanks |
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| Author: | val Holryn [ Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
The gauntlets have caused headaches for many tables. There runes have been discussions on the lists, but to my knowledge no official answers. My take is that runes are exceptional but the gauntlets aren't ('cause its it own weird thing), but PCs can use it/the runes because its found in a module. If you wanted to say that the gauntlets were also exceptional it would hardly be world breaking. |
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| Author: | Dante [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
My GM for "Desecration" (John Olszewski) said that he played the mod with Pedro Barrenechea as GM and that Pedro said that the intention for the gauntlets is that the spirit bane rune's power is conveyed to any weapon carried by the wearer. I would not generalize this to state anything about the use of runes with gauntlets or that particular rune, but (reportedly) Pedro said that's how these particular gauntlets should be treated. ADDITION/CORRECTION: Mod author Henry Lopez clarified below that the above claim on the gauntlet's use is wrong and that the power is in the gauntlets but not conveyed to anything weapons wielded while wearing the gauntlets. |
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| Author: | PCIHenry [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
If Peter said that then he is mistaken. The Gauntlets do no work in that manner. They were created (by me) to reflect their use by Beltinians to "man-handle" spirits. The power is in the gauntlets, not anything being held by said gauntlets. |
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| Author: | Haakon_val'Ishi [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
Okay so if the gauntlets don't let you smack spirits with your weapon what do they do? I'm not clear on the meaning of "man-handling spirits." The only person in that game who could have logically used them was my martial character Ursula. Now I have no problem burning a talent to get weapon proficiency with the gauntlets because I already have ranks in Melee: Unarmed and the Pugilist Talent. The idea of punching a ghost in the face is just too cool to pass up. 
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| Author: | Nierite [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
You don't need Weapon Training to use Gauntlets. All WT grants is the use of the weapons tricks. Feel free to punch away if you are trained in the skill! |
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| Author: | PCIHenry [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
That was the idea - it was a "magic item" for the Unarmed Combatants in the game as they usually don't find much that caters to their specialty. |
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| Author: | Haakon_val'Ishi [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
Okay that makes more sense. I still thought it was clarified in the errata that you needed training to use gauntlets as a weapon. In other words Weapon Proficiency: Gauntlet combined with ranks in Melee: Unarmed. I'm at work so can't check the errata I have at home. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this. Now that said could you put a Spirit Rune on a Cestus? It's a weapon so I assume you can. I ask because at some point some of us are looking at playing various incarnations of Ansharan "monks," and unarmed combat is the name of the game for Ansharans. 
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| Author: | Nierite [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
You can put weapon runes on weapons. A Cestus is a weapon (not a person). I see no reason you couldn't 'rune it up'. Errata wrote: Question: My understanding has been that if you have Heavy Armor Proficiency then you are assumed to have virtual weapon training in gauntlets. Answer: No, you need to acquire Weapon Training: Gauntlet to acquire its weapon tricks The errata says nothing about using the Gauntlet (as the purchased weapon, not as part of armour) without the Talent. You just can't use ARMOUR Training instead of WEAPON Training. You can feel free to punch away, however! |
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| Author: | Haakon_val'Ishi [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HP 1-10 Desecration |
Yeah but if I don't have Weapon Training: Gauntlet wouldn't I suffer a penalty to hit due to non-proficiency with the weapon? |
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