So who is the Destroyer?

Don’t have my books with me, but was not Ymandragore (or Mandragore for its original incarnation) known as the City of the Dragon?

Just thoughts.

Hmmm…. which is more likely to get taken out by Calmemnon, Kassagore, the Dragon or the SK? Scary to think that the Dragon might be the easiest of the 3 to take out.

With a sweep of his hat,

Paul

As most people know IC and OOC I have been pointing the finger at Calemnon. I believe he has conquered DZV , swung his Army through the East to seize the city states of the “Ossarion Empire” and subjugate the Forsaken before swinging West to seize the First City. I think we’ve already met his scouts in the form of Marcus Lepidus and his Chauni guide. It is not entirely clear to me how Calemnon has the power to thwart the Dragon but I assume it’s a combination of being an uber psionic bad@$$, having an army at his back, maybe some ancient McGuffins, and favorable circumstances as fate and necessity propel us forward. Its also a possibility that Calemnon has willingly or unwillingly become the Avatar of “the Silence.”

Calemnon has at least one “inside man” in the First City who betrays everyone to heard in the second coming of the Imperium.

It could be that the Dragon will be defeated by sacrificing the “most innocent” … that could be the Endless Choir.

I think Calemnon’s seizure of the First City caused Scipio to have a heart attack. His son will mobilize Coryan to deal with Calemnon. The Coryani attack will provoke the Khitani and start the Third CK War. …and The known world adds “Oh Fortuna” from Carmen Burana to their playlists.

Speaking of songs…

I suspect that it’s the Endless Choir’s song that is maintaining the prison of the Other and that Calemnon will sacrifice them as part of the process of gaining the First City & Imperial Throne Room. Without the Eternal Choir Umors prison either collapses immediately or is finally in a position where an outside agency can free him. That’s a guess on my part but if we’re headed into the end times nothing like further chaos on the divine front.

It’s important to note that Umor is not necessarily related to the Silence. If Umor is Kassegore then he might rally the BTs and other Ssethrics to fight against the ending of all things. If the val’Holryn originate from Umor (only one of several speculated origins) then that creates a BT val’Holryn axis in Milandir. Expect the rest of Milandir to freak out if this becomes public? Civil War in Milandir? The good guys shooting themselves in the foot, rather than talking is a trope in the campaign.

…some good times coming…

…poor Tukufu. He’s so happy with his bookstore…

All good stuff. A Milandisian civil war does no one any good but would provide great story fodder. As someone who plays a lot of val’Holryns (including one with the val’Emman bloodline) the Umor connection would be cool. I find the idea that the most “honorable” val family might have ties to the most reviled of deities to be both ironic and hilarious. And the idea that someone with the val’Emman bloodline (even second hand) might have to “save” Leonydes, who had it in for the val’Emmans (with some justification given what we are told) really appeals to me. While I have had issues with this campaign’s storyline at times it’s still been one hell of a ride so far and I look forward to seeing what’s in store. And I absolutely LOVE the idea that “actions have consequences.”

Hello everyone,

I’m enjoying this thread quite a bit.

Hopefully, some (but not all) of your questions will be answered at Origins this year.

It always frightens me to see Henry enjoying speculations.

Speaking of speculations…. The Dark Moon is an Egg I tell you. Tasty draconic omelets anybody?

Just cook it in the shell….. I think it is fervidite.

Matias is more or less the right age to be Calemnon. Has old wounds appropriate for heavy fighting in DZV and scars on his back appropriate from a childhood being beaten by the Val Dellenovs. Shows possible signs of treating women as object/misogyny? Only issues seems to be Matias is apparently human and not Val. And the origins of Spirit mount powers. Both potentially resolvable by sufficient psionic power and/or activity since we’ve last seen him.

::Coughcoughdestroyercoughcough::

… .??? …

Just saying…

Matias is more or less the right age to be Calemnon. Has old wounds appropriate for heavy fighting in DZV and scars on his back appropriate from a childhood being beaten by the Val Dellenovs. Shows possible signs of treating women as object/misogyny? Only issues seems to be Matias is apparently human and not Val. And the origins of Spirit mount powers. Both potentially resolvable by sufficient psionic power and/or activity since we’ve last seen him.

::Coughcoughdestroyercoughcough::

… .??? …

Just saying…

The question is whether the Destroyer needs to still be corporeal. After all, Matias is of a sect that is “mounted” by spirits, so we don’t really know if Matias is Matias. Maybe he was Matias, but as part of previous events he picked up a hitchhiker “somewhere.” If a spirit could be the Destroyer, he could be almost anyone. It also raises the potential for him to raise his “army” from anywhere (or one place in particular) and then turn the pre-existing forces of good into forces of…. evil. I think it is very important to keep a very close eye on the well in the coming period.