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- January 26, 2016 at 6:31 pm #152143AnonymousInactive
I thought I would start a thread in case anyone had questions about new material from the blessed lands book. I’ll start!
The Rat Catcher class is very clearly open to males. It has an image of a male rat catcher, the example of a veteran one is a male, yet… It requires either Anointed Priest of Saluwe or Holy Champion of Saluwe to qualify. Both of these paths are divine casters of Saluwe. Divine Casters of Saluwe are not allowed to be male. How are there male rat catchers?
January 26, 2016 at 7:30 pm #271150AnonymousInactiveUltimately this is a Henry Question, but. . .
1) There is no MECHANICAL reason why a Rat Catcher cannot be male. The cultural objection to male priests of Saluwe’ is a Coryani trait, and the Rat Catcher is found throughout the lands of man (Nation: Any human nation). However, in Coryan you are correct that it would be vanishingly rare to find an Anointed Priest of Saluwe’ who is male
2) I do not believe that the objection to Males in the Saluwean clergy extends to Templars and Holy Champions except in specific instances. I believe the Verdant Champion Order of the Saluwean Holy Champions is woman-only, but a generic Holy Champion I do not believe is restricted.
January 26, 2016 at 7:31 pm #271151AnonymousInactiveThe Holy Champion Path requires the Templar background or the Templar Itinerant. While they grant access to DSC, spellcasting it is not required. You could easily have a Martial Templar, Holy Champion of Saluwe who’s male with 0 spellcasting and no desire to go that route. The Anointed Priest(ess) provides a different route for female Divine characters of Saluwe.
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January 26, 2016 at 7:35 pm #271152AnonymousInactiveThey do gain access to a special spell later in their progression, as that is a ‘secret spell’ of the Order. That said, not all Rat Catchers are that high of a level, so the knowledge of this spell is probably more closely regulated (or available to less-restricted societies).
January 26, 2016 at 8:21 pm #271153drafitParticipantHello,
Priests of Saluwe’ continue to require being a female. That prohibition does not extend to ALL Holy Champion Orders, as clearly the Rat Catchers can be both male and female.
To be a male Rat Catcher, you’ll have to go the Templar/Holy Champion route, not the Divine route.
January 26, 2016 at 9:50 pm #271160AnonymousInactiveHello,
Priests of Saluwe’ continue to require being a female. That prohibition does not extend to ALL Holy Champion Orders, as clearly the Rat Catchers can be both male and female.
To be a male Rat Catcher, you’ll have to go the Templar/Holy Champion route, not the Divine route.
OK, on June 22, 2015 it was said in the druid thread that:
Hello,
can there be male Templars of Saluwe with access to her spells?
I just re-read the passage on Templars and after giving it some thought, I’d have to say no. Given that male Templars of Saluwe’ would not be taught their specific Cants, they can’t really be Templars. Same goes for female Illiirites.
I’ll make a point to add this to the errata.
(You’ll note that it now states that only Males can be Templars to the Fire Dragon.)
So it seems in the past that males could not learn any cants, so they couldn’t go the Templar route. I assume this means that males can become divine casters of Saluwe by being Templars now? It’s the only thing that explains the path, since the first tier power, rebuke vermin, requires the ability to cast rebuke first, and the second tier gives a spell, neither of which any male would be able to do unless as Templars they could acquire divine spell casting.
This seems to go against what you were saying about the druids, since it would be easy for the druids to be an order of Templar divine casters of Saluwe.
January 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm #271162AnonymousInactiveI had heard at Origins that the Sama were going to become a playable race with the release of this book. Was that just a baseless rumour to begin with, or was there a change by PCI before the release?
January 26, 2016 at 10:31 pm #271164drafitParticipantHello,
This seems to go against what you were saying about the druids, since it would be easy for the druids to be an order of Templar divine casters of Saluwe.
Yep, you’re correct – it does contradict my previous statement.
Let me think about how I can make round this square.
January 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm #271165drafitParticipantHello,
I had heard at Origins that the Sama were going to become a playable race with the release of this book. Was that just a baseless rumour to begin with, or was there a change by PCI before the release?
I considered making both the Sama and the Ibon new playable races, but (largly from feedback fom the Development Team) decdied against it.
January 26, 2016 at 11:12 pm #271167AnonymousInactiveThanks for the clarification Henry…although I can’t imagine why the Ibon didn’t become a playable race
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January 27, 2016 at 2:30 am #271170AnonymousInactiveI had heard at Origins that the Sama were going to become a playable race with the release of this book. Was that just a baseless rumour to begin with, or was there a change by PCI before the release?
I had heard rumor that there might be more information about the Il’Huan in the book, and that they may become playable races. I never understood that, and figured it had a low probability of becoming reality. Was there any thought on that?
Any possibility of the Ssethregore book bringing in some new player races?
January 27, 2016 at 2:35 am #271171drafitParticipantI had heard rumor that there might be more information about the Il’Huan in the book, and that they may become playable races. I never understood that, and figured it had a low probability of becoming reality. Was there any thought on that?
You’re pulling my leg, right?
Any possibility of the Ssethregore book bringing in some new player races?
No, I don’t believe so.
January 27, 2016 at 2:43 am #271173AnonymousInactiveYou’re pulling my leg, right?
Nope, someone did actually pass me that rumor with a straight face, and I was still really new then so I didn’t realize how crazy it was. Sadly, I was also new enough that I don’t remember who it was who told me that tall tale. I never really did buy it, but I thought it was an interesting concept. Like I said, I always assumed low probability.
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January 27, 2016 at 7:50 am #271183frootsnaxParticipantIl’Huan. That’s a good one.
Though I confess I kinda want to run a mini-campaign where the PCs are Voiceless Ones and have to “cause” the mad Emperor Quron val’Dellenov to launch the Second Coryani-Khitani war…
January 28, 2016 at 11:39 pm #271246AnonymousInactiveI really love the flavor of the Death Mongers. I’m a bit unsure of how to build one though. The spells and paths seem to treat the Divine Trinity as a single Deity, but there’s no entry that matches the original ARPG table 2-2 to describe that deity’s armor, skill, and weapon.
Reading the “Initiate” background, I’d guess at:
Deity: Divine Trinity / Death Monger
Pantheon: Pantheon of Man
Sect: Divine Trinity / Death Monger
Skill: Etiquette?? Heal??
Weapon: Spear
Armor: ChainmailOnly the skill seems indeterminate.
It’s interesting to me that the background does not grant access to Divine Spell Casting the way that Initiate of the Gods(ba) does. Would a non-Divine build need to back into spell casting via Initiate Itinerant(pa), Templar Itinerant(pa), or the like?
Alternatively, do I build a Nerothan/Beltinian/Sarishan, and then make them an initiate?
Does a Death Monger immediately associate with a Father/Mother/Childe role from creation, or is that distinction something that they get later?
Finally, can you play a DM on its own, or do you have to get two friends to join you (since they always travel in groups of three or more, per their path)?
Thanks!
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