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- June 22, 2016 at 3:55 pm #273040AnonymousInactive
To me it smacks heavily of revisionist history written by the victors, and I catch shades of this in the Codex Arcanis’s section on the Coryani Empire. I’m not saying that the Sorcerer-King sounds like a nice guy, but he did have an agreement with the Coryani that the Imperial family seemed happy to abide by, but when a harvester asked for the royal children (in accordance with their agreement), the Empresses decided the best thing to do would be to kill what was essentially an Ymadnragore diplomat and then was like “Yo, people of the empire, I know I’ve been letting these guys take your children from you, but I don’t want to give them mine, so I need you to fight a war against them now.”
I’m sure that this is not remotely close to what the creators had planned, but hey, it’s going to be a home game, so I had been thinking about doing something where the party discovers that the Other was the first human or something like that, and that the gods are simply powerful beings, akin to the Elemental Lords, and that rather than some sort of cosmic imperative to honor the gods, it was always just a “because we’re the toughest and we say so” arrangement. The Other, being the first to realize this, learned to siphon small portions of their divine power to become immortal, with the intent on sharing this power with the rest of humankind so their destiny could be more self-determined. Thoughts?
The first rule of Arcanis history: you know nothing of Arcanis history. When you find out a nearly tangible fact about Arcanis history…you are wrong. You are absolutely correct about the revisionist history. But it is revisionist history based on revisionist history that was drawn from word-of-mouth sources and myths/legends. To me, that is one of the great parts about Arcanis. It is so steeped in various lore/perspectives that the good guy/bad guy right /wrong issues get very convoluted and muddled along the way.
June 22, 2016 at 4:37 pm #273041AnonymousInactiveThank you so much! You guys have been incredibly helpful. I’m pouring over the Blessed Lands book now, and will probably try to run a campaign there – this is easily one of the coolest campaigns I’ve ever come across. I kind of wish there was a living campaign group here in Tianjin, because I’m getting oodles of character ideas as I read through this stuff, and even though it was just the one, that BI I played in was ludicrously awesome.
While there may not be a group in Tianjin with you, there is a section of the forums for LA Campaigns: Online Play. While most of the players I’m familiar with are in time zones across the U.S., there are players in Australia that are much closer to your timezone and may be able to help arrange a game.
As another alternative, there is regular play by post of the mods on Myth Weavers. Mods take roughly 3 months to get through and there’s usually only 1 or 2 running at a time. Depending on interest and willingness to get another game going, you could go that route as well.
With a sweep of his hat,
Paul
June 22, 2016 at 5:48 pm #273043AnonymousInactiveThe consumption of the gentlest does appear to have happened, from different sources, but real details are still very rare, so it is healthy to be skeptical. Keep in mind, Belisarda hasn’t really been seen since her time with “The Other,” so her status is a little questionable. Maybe she was consumed and “The Other” is just pretending she is still around…
I think it’s clear she is still alive but she may be a captive or something. To me, the key is that her divine casters can still use cants whereas the elemental lords divine casters stopped being able to use cants when they were eaten.
June 22, 2016 at 5:52 pm #273044AnonymousInactiveIn D&D this logic works, but not in ARG. A can’t does not require the existence of a God, just faith in them to cast.
June 22, 2016 at 6:04 pm #273045AnonymousInactiveIn D&D this logic works, but not in ARG. A can’t does not require the existence of a God, just faith in them to cast.
Than what did the elorii lose in relation to their elemental gods when they were consumed? Did they never grant spells? They clearly are said to have formerly had priests, and stopped after they were consumed. Won’t there still be priests if they could still get spells?
June 22, 2016 at 6:11 pm #273046AnonymousInactiveI thought I read somewhere that the divine followers of the elemental lords were cut off when they were eaten by the PoM? Otherwise there would logically still be at least some divine casters of the elemental lords.
June 22, 2016 at 6:14 pm #273047drafitParticipantHmmm…you’re right, Steve, that does sound odd.
I wonder what could be going on?
June 22, 2016 at 6:38 pm #273048AnonymousInactiveOk, I’ll throw out my possible explanation, though accepting it is almost certainly wrong given Henry’s comment.
The Elorii are constructs, an infusion of elemental power and life given shape. It is said their gods walked among them and there was a special relationship there for who else amongst the living can say they have walked and spoken physically with their gods? If the binding tie of their creation or close relationship built a special bond between Elorii and Lord, especially for any of the divine worshipers, then the sudden lack of that connection would be noticeable and significant. It is said the wind in the temple of Osalian died, the flame of Keleos went out and I forget the signs for the other two temples.
Now, there is faith and there is Faith. The small f faith is what most worshipers have. It lacks the special spark of conviction that empowers faith into becoming Faith. Faith with a capital F has at it’s core a certainty in the truth being followed. It’s what powers the Divine talents and the divine spells. You can argue that the Elorii never had Faith before the fall of Elemental Lords. They had knowledge and certainty that it would work because their gods walked among them. The death of the Elemental Lords sent shock waves through the special connection the Elorii had with their gods. They knew on some level, could sense or feel or know that their gods were gone. This new certainty or at least the amount of doubt it caused in them destroyed the certainty of knowledge. They were required to have true Faith and stumbled. And in doing so brought about the certainty of their gods being gone as much as they were certain their gods had existed.
The followers of the Pantheon of Man are born, raised and die with the understanding that their gods are alive and present. Those who have sufficient faith are able to channel the power through the Cants. They have never seen nor are likely to ever know their gods in the flesh. It could be that the PoM has long since died off, but their Faith remains and so they continue. It would be ironic if the PoM were all dead and the Elemental Lords alive but cut off from the Elorii.
What you do with a home game is completely up to you. I doubt this mystery will get resolved any time soon.
With a sweep of his hat,
Paul
June 22, 2016 at 6:56 pm #273049AnonymousInactiveHmmm…you’re right, Steve, that does sound odd.
I wonder what could be going on?
Ok, that’s it. I’m going to stop calling you Sam Eagle and rename you the Forever Tantalizer
June 23, 2016 at 1:06 am #273056AnonymousInactiveHi there
I tend to be the organiser of things happening in Australia at the moment..
Currently work in crushing and has limited all my arcanis to basically just my Thursday Night home group. But I am hoping things will settle down soon. When this happens I was hoping to start running some games on Roll20 for people interstate. Timezoning may also work for you. keep an eye in the online play area. I will post there. You would be most welcome to join when I do. Discovering the lore of the world through the mods put out by Henry and Co are one of the best things about the game. Most people who play regularly have had more than one major “What the..” moment
Taffy
While there may not be a group in Tianjin with you, there is a section of the forums for LA Campaigns: Online Play. While most of the players I’m familiar with are in time zones across the U.S., there are players in Australia that are much closer to your timezone and may be able to help arrange a game.
As another alternative, there is regular play by post of the mods on Myth Weavers. Mods take roughly 3 months to get through and there’s usually only 1 or 2 running at a time. Depending on interest and willingness to get another game going, you could go that route as well.
With a sweep of his hat,
Paul
June 23, 2016 at 1:10 am #273057AnonymousInactiveI think I would probably have had one of those moments at the BI I played in if I had known more about the setting at the time. All I really remember is that we went to another plane of existence and we found some dude locked in a prison to suffer eternally, and he could help in something that was coming up if someone volunteered to take his place, but no one did (I tried to cheese it by swapping in my psi-crystal since it has a fragment of your psyche, but it didn’t work). Can’t remember who or what the guy was.
June 23, 2016 at 1:11 am #273058AnonymousInactiveGeneral Menesis val’Tensen if it was from the old campaign…
June 23, 2016 at 1:20 am #273060AnonymousInactiveGeneral Menesis val’Tensen if it was from the old campaign…
The opportunity to swap places was with King Noen I believe. Menesis was brought back but I don’t believe anyone else had to give up their life.
With a sweep of his hat,
Paul
June 23, 2016 at 1:21 am #273061AnonymousInactiveWho’s King None?
June 23, 2016 at 1:28 am #273062AnonymousInactiveWho’s King None?
None was an autocorrect issue. King Noen was king of Solanos More and was killed in a battle at the enclave. As the loyalist forces retreated the High Inquisitior of Legion Lex Talionis shattered the king’s soul shard, ensuring he would not return. The members of LLT present each took a piece of the king’s soul shard.
At least one of the players did indeed switch places with the King. I believe his soul was in torment stored within the LLT’s Legion Standard. It’s been a number of years ago, so some of the details may be wrong.
With a sweep of his hat,
Paul
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