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- June 25, 2014 at 3:45 pm #151345AnonymousInactive
Well. Ask and you shall receive. A thread to discuss what the Destroyer Prophesies really mean … and what plans the ES can/should implement as a response.
June 25, 2014 at 10:32 pm #263483frootsnaxParticipantThe prophesies have so far made it pretty clear that this Destroyer is going to seize the Throne of Man. Its not clear to me that there is anything that can be done to derail this prophesy. But presumably the Destroyer will have the 12 keys to unlock it.
I think one thing we should keep an eye out for is a chance as the dust settles from the upcoming threat is a chance to lay our hands on and “secure” one or more of the 12 Keys.
June 25, 2014 at 11:13 pm #263491AnonymousInactiveWas there one in the vault?
June 26, 2014 at 12:05 am #263492frootsnaxParticipantNo. But there was a case with a honking big key imprint that suggests a large key was once held there. Maybe the Singarthans took it. Given some of the other items found in the vault that were meant to disappear from the light of day it seems plausible to me that a key was there at some point.
June 26, 2014 at 12:43 pm #263501AnonymousInactive“I think the best use of our resources is uncovering who this Destroyer might be. We have access to a multitude of old texts and rubbings. Perhaps something in the vault that was recovered could help as well?” Kelb rubs his temples for a moment, “I can’t believe this is the first time such a prophecy has been stated.”
After a few moments, he adds, “If the 12 keys of man are required, then we need to redouble our efforts to get at least one of them. If it’s an all-or-nothing entry requirement.”
June 26, 2014 at 2:39 pm #263506AnonymousInactiveWhere can we get one of these “keys of man”? Can a val’ressen touch one? Do we have to get a group together to get one?
June 26, 2014 at 3:56 pm #263507frootsnaxParticipantI believe the Destroyer … who is coming out of hidden lands to the west … Which could be Dhar Zhan Vor … and whose name will stop he heart of an emperor … and has an army … is most likely Calemnon.
I don’t know if it is possible to stop the Destroyer. I would like to defeat him … but more recent prophesies from Tultipet seem to indicate we will need him. Against the dragon. Stopping the Destroyer only to watch the First City burn under the Dragon’s flames goes in my loss column too.
From my researches I know also that Leonydas val’Virdan recovered one of the Twelve Keys. Tradition has it he wore it around his neck. If so presumably it was lost in the Citadel of Silence 40+ years ago. Though it’s not impossible he did something with his key before going in. If the Keys are needed then our best chance of preventing assembly lies there. But if the Singarthans are in league with the Destroyer than they may get to the Citadel of Silence and the key through the Endless Dark. We’d never know they came or went.
Leonydas, a paragon of Nier, and perhaps a potential ember bereft of fire may play a further roll too…if he’s still alive in there.
That’s what I know.
-T
June 27, 2014 at 11:58 am #263556AnonymousInactive“Can we joint venture with the Sanctorum on finding one of the keys with Calculus?”
June 27, 2014 at 3:36 pm #263558frootsnaxParticipant“Well. In exchange for going to the Isle of Tears the Sanctorum did say anything …”
Still if the Sanctorum had the resources to seize one of the Keys its not entirely clear to me that they would have needed our services in the first place.
But it was on the list of things I asked for. Right after the request for an exclusive interview with Nurion.June 28, 2014 at 3:43 am #263583AnonymousInactive“I was selfish and asked for something for myself. I would love to hear of what comes of your want list. If there are twelve and we only “know” of the location of one, I wonder what we could do find out about others. Would the knowledge wardens know?”
June 28, 2014 at 7:00 am #263584frootsnaxParticipant“I was selfish and asked for something for myself. I would love to hear of what comes of your want list. If there are twelve and we only “know” of the location of one, I wonder what we could do find out about others. Would the knowledge wardens know?”
Its possible we do have one or more tucked away somewhere. Ditto the Azure Way. Ditto the Mourners in Silence. Ditto the Jial of the Phoenix. Those kinds of questions tend not to be answered by the leadership. The Orthodoxy or the Sanctorum could have one too. Temple of Altheres? Knowledge Wardens? Inquisition? Sure. No one knows.
i would swear every other purveyor of trinkets in the First City claims to have a key. When i get tired of their pitches I ask to test their claim with a warhammer. The real keys are indestructible. The fakes not so much.
Kelb, you have an antiquities shop. Any alleged Keys on your shelves?
-Tukufu
June 28, 2014 at 7:45 am #263585AnonymousInactive“I guess what you say is true. If someone truely had one they would want to keep it quite or be the target of every want to be god king out there. Fire dragon knows, they can stop time on the Isle. I could only dream of the knowledge or power to do that.”
August 20, 2014 at 8:28 pm #264596AnonymousInactiveI don’t know if it is possible to stop the Destroyer. I would like to defeat him … but more recent prophesies from Tultipet seem to indicate we will need him. Against the dragon. Stopping the Destroyer only to watch the First City burn under the Dragon’s flames goes in my loss column too.
Interesting, my take on what occurred in Tultipet was quite different. It appeared to me that the dragon was attempting to seize the first city in order to access the Throne of Man and destroy it. The dragon was attempting to prevent the rise of the Destroyer by destroying the means of his rise, because prophecy states that if he does rise and sit on the throne, that he will have the power necessary to be a threat to the dragon.
It seemed to me that the dragon was unwise, and by attacking the city and weakening its defenders, he may have already assisted the destroyer himself in taking the city at a later date. To me, it seems that there may be common cause between those who oppose the coming destroyer and the dragon – if the dragon is capable of being convinced of this.
August 20, 2014 at 8:54 pm #264598frootsnaxParticipantKavaris,
You hit the nail exactly on the head. I fear the prophesy is at least in some ways self-fulfilling. The Dragon is provoked to move against the First City. The city cheers whoever removes this threat as a great liberator. If so we do share interests with the dragon.
If it were possible to speak with Villa’Tavorentis we might be in a position to negate the prophesy.
But I have no good ideas on how to attempt this. And I fear a great being like the Dragon will not listen to those who are merely mortal. As a being of greater knowledge and insight I assume that Villa’Tavorentis must already be aware of our lines of speculation too.
So that He has not contacted us is a bad sign. I suspect it either means Villa’Tavorentis doesn’t want our help or has decided he would rather see us all dead too.
August 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm #264687AnonymousInactiveI have heard recently of an older prophecy, given to the former Patriarch Felician val’Mehan, that told of a falcon being torn apart, then a light upon the throne of man, and then a world full of silence. He took the falcon to be the Coryani empire, and was working to reunite it through his talks with Canceri, so that it would be strong enough to face the later threats. I can’t help but wonder if the coming of this destroyer is this later threat, since we now know the Destroyer is linked strongly to the throne of man. It bears clues that I think may need thinking on.
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