diminish senses

I’m fine with Simple action as long as there’s a minimum duration (eg can’t be attempted for at least 6 or 8 ticks after casting). Otherwise there’s too much chance that the spell is nearly useless (unless the player pays attention to exactly when the target is going and what he’s doing).

So, this is where we are now

note I added a escalating bonus to resist.

After 6 ticks, upon the target’ next action they may attempt to break free with a successful Simple Mettle (Re) Skill Action roll against the caster’s passive Arcanum value. If they fail they may attempt again in 6 ticks, gaining a commutative +3 bonus every failed attempt after the first. Someone who has been under the effects of a Diminish Senses spell gains a +3 bonus to their discipline defense against the spell for the remainder of the scene.

commutative == cumulative

fixed

another thing i thought of here is i’m afraid a precedent my be started here that any spell that has “negative” effects on pc and duration of Scene or more will getting ppl complaining wanting it softened up, extra bonuses to shrug off, bonuses to defenses each time they are hit with it…etc. to me when that starts to happen we will start to see fewer of those spells taken by ppl in favor of the flashy/bangy instant duration spells. i know if i were a caster i would probably be so inclined, while this may just be me but i do think it is something to keep in the back of all our minds we all know that no one really complains about those things that are beneficial to them and will fight tooth and nail to keep it regardless of how “overpowered” it may be.

Umm it’s not the PC’s we were worried about.. Diminish was/as been used to make the nastiest encounters trivial

I ran two tables where the “big bad” was blind off the bat.. and unable to do a thing.. heck the 2nd time I had that happened I simply called the fight..

it is a tab too powerful.. but you have a point.. with the escalating bonus.. no need to have the 2nd part…

BTW its still a damn good spell

im going to assume that you had multiple ppl able to cast the spell if your big bad was hit with it twice.

don’t get me wrong i like the idea of being able to regain your senses in some form or another, i can get behind that. ive been a judge on the receiving end of the spell and it is rough. i’m however a proponent of the choices have consequences theory of the game. the thing with that is though is that the road is a two way street and does not just apply to the pcs choices. if the big bad wants to run around with his minions none of which can cast certain spells, that was the big bads choice, maybe if he survives he won’t make that mistake again, obviously the same holds true for pcs.

so all in all i’m for the chance to get senses back as long as the time before they come back is significant enough to actually have a significant detrimental effect on the person.

pete i completely agree with you on how good the spell is especially when you really start to get into what all it does as far as concealment and TE and what not.

for this particular spell there is also a talent that can be helpful (blind-fighting)

I remember at some point there was a ‘nerf’ to the Blinded Condition (or to what Diminish Senses did effect-wise). I think it was on the previous boards but it reduced the impact of being blinded from the spell. Anyone else remember that?

nope sorry john cant say that i do

how about

After 6 ticks, upon the target’ next action they may attempt to break free with a successful Simple Mettle (Re) Skill Action roll against the caster’s passive Arcanum value. If they fail they may attempt again in 6 ticks, gaining a cumulative +3 bonus every failed attempt after the first.

Are subsequent attempts on the target’s action after 6 ticks or every 6 ticks for free?

After 6 ticks, upon the target’ next action they may attempt to break free with a successful Simple Mettle (Re) Skill Action roll against the caster’s passive Arcanum value. If they fail they may attempt again in 6 ticks, gaining a cumulative +3 bonus every failed attempt after the first.

ok let me see if i understand this correctly. on tick one i cast on pete who becomes blinded, after tick 7 pete’s next action, he can take a speed 2 action( along with any other action??) in order to regain his senses, if he fails he waits another 6 ticks….here comes a question does the wait start from the moment he can make the first check or after the “action” failed ( probely a no brainier but figured id ask has to attempt another sp 2( or more if so chooses) action but gains a +3 to that attempt…if i get this right at a min a person is down for at least 3/4 a round ( 8 ticks)…is my understand correct???