Do spells with range like 10′ Radius provoke?

For basic spell casting? Nothing besides he gets a Free Strike against you and could in theory knock you out before you get the spell off.

The real fun comes when you hit someone who is trying to perform an Inerruptable Action. If the target takes damage, they must succeed on a Resolve Roll, the TN being 10+damage taken. If fail, their clock is pushed 1 for every 5 damage. If wounded, action immediately ceases in addition to the previous effect.

I’m trying to take a step back and calmly understand the opposing view (until this conversation came up, I never even considered the possibility that anyone would think they provoke)…

If “0′ (X’ Radius)” and “Self (X’ Radius)” both don’t provoke, what is the logic for having “X’ Radius” provoke? It is still no range and no other non-ranged spells/abilities provoke. Why should the ones I listed (which is the complete list unless I missed something)? I’m interested in both the logical and rules reasons (something beyond “because it doesn’t explicitly say 0′ or Self”) why. As near as I can tell, the spells (and abilities) labeled “X’ Radius” are no more powerful (and sometimes less powerful) than ones labeled “0′ (X’ Radius)” and “Self (X’ Radius)”.

Sorry but your argument doesn’t make ANY sense (to me at least). These are NOT ranged spells. They are pbaoe – no different than any other pbaoe in the game. If they are different then please explain HOW they are different. If all of the other pbaoe abilities didn’t already not provoke then I would agree with you (but since they don’t, I find your arguments laughable).

Also, remember Channeling is likely to harm part of your own party.

As to power level of spells, I wasn’t talking cross-discipline – I was talking comparing any of these spells to similar spells in the same discipline.

Sigh. If they provoke or not is the entire debate. Just as they don’t not provoke because I don’t think they should, they also don’t provoke simply because you think they should. I was not the only one in the other thread that thought they do not provoke.

All of the spells you list provoke because they are ranged. All of the spells/abilities I listed earlier in this thread are not ranged – they are pbaoe.

Call of the Hunt is an odd duck. I honestly don’t know what to make of that one. It is written up as a normal ranged spell but says it affects all allies in range (I don’t recall seeing any other spell written this way). Given the range of 30′ and the odd way it is written, I would agree this one provokes.

Please explain to me how X’ Radius is different than Self/0′ (X’ Radius). I have yet to see anyone give an answer (beyond “they don’t say 0′ or Self” which seems way more likely to be a simple typo omission than an intentional significant difference (we’re up to 31 pages of Errata/FAQ after all)).

Point Blank Area of Effect

Don’t you just love jargon….not. That’s new one on me. Bet it’s a carryover from computer games since the aoe thing I now recall from WoW along with the infamous “dot” references.

I don’t remember if I ran across it first in computer or tabletop (likely computer). I’ve seen it used in both.

To honest as far as I can recall (based on the “spirit” of gaming), any casting done within melee range of a bad guy is gonna get you smacked. All that hand waving and abracadabra business distracts you from the deadly serious business of defending yourself. Am I wrong in thinking that? Just curious about my thinking here.

There are exceptions. Any spells with range of Self, 0′, or Melee does not provoke free strikes. Logically and spell effect, “X’ Radius” is no different than “Self (X’ Radius)” but it doesn’t explicitly have 0′ or Self so some people think these spells provoke (while others, like me, think they don’t).

No one from PCI has weighed in as yet.

I agree combats should be fast and furious.

My main contention is that combat spells need to actually be useful in combat (attack spells with range 5′ Radius are completely useless if they provoke free strikes – even 10′ Radius are marginal at best (given that there are plenty of pbaoe attack spells that don’t provoke and ranged attack spells allow attacking from a safe distance)). My secondary contention is that there is logically absolutely no difference between X’ Radius, Self (X’ Radius), and 0′ (X’ Radius) so I completely fail to see why X’ Radius should provoke (yes, 0′ can be extended via adaptation but they are identical besides that).

I did consider that the Radius may have been the error and these spells should be like Call of the Hunt (ranged but affect all targets within range). However, I seriously doubt that as these spells have radius ranges (5′, 10′, and rarely 20′) while ranged spells almost always have multiples of 30′ for a range.

Just found an unintended consequence. This is not necessarily a problem as it gives Martials some new options.

All the discussed spells can now by placed on a shield using the Spell Rune.

I actually like this find, as (once I can afford it) it gives me a more reliable option to deal with minion hordes.