Elorii Social structure

Dean,

Not sure I can add much unfortunately but I thought I’d mention that Henry has, in the past, retconned details written in older modules/source books (i.e. val breed true). Elorii having children of other sub-groups may not be canon. I don’t recall reading anything about it one way or another.

Thanks for the info you included, I had forgotten about that as well. Sounds like a reference to Celestial Giants to me. I am definitely hoping that as we get closer to having T4/T5 heroes, there might be an opportunity to explore the world gates a bit more.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify this Henry.

This actually makes me think about the viability of the Eloran race as a whole. We know that there are a finite number of Eloran souls available for rebirth, it is interesting to know that those souls are restricted into certain bloodlines.

While attempting to avoid spoilers, we know that Eloran souls can be lost permanently (Kurenthe, turning Elorii into undead, certain other storyline events). I had originally assumed that all Eloran bloodlines pulled from the same ‘pool’ of souls for rebirth. Now that we know this is not the case, the situation seems far more dire for the Elorii. It would not be inconceivable for an entire Eloran bloodline to disappear, if their soul pool shrank enough.

Hello,

Elorii cannot interbreed nor can they be reborn into another bloodline.

Is this a change of canon with the 5e setting? I seem to recall that the story in Eldest Sons (of the defense of Seremas from Ymandragore and the Birth of Markeleos) did not follow this rule.

Still that seems clear enough. I’ll make a note of that fact…

I seem to recall that the story in Eldest Sons (of the defense of Seremas from Ymandragore and the Birth of Markeleos) did not follow this rule.
I thought the same thing because Markelos (a berokene baby found in the water) means “Born of Stone and Fire”. I thought his parents (Folgos and Kethiel) were Marokene and Kelekene. But the story never actually says their lineage. And in Markelos’s NPC write up for Beyond the Threshold of Never it is stated he is a Kelekene that looks like a Marokene.
So his parents could have been both Berokene or both Kelekene (depending on which info about his lineage is canon). And the meaning behind his name is more a reference to the magic defense stone the Ymandrakes brought and magical fire the Elorii attacked the Ymandrakes with.

Also it may not matter as he may be dead.

Sorry for my lack of clarity. I meant his lineage may not matter as he may be dead.

I agree the issue is very important because I had the exact same understanding of how Elorii had children. I didn’t even read that entry in the 5e core book. But at least the entry is there and new players won’t have the same misunderstanding.

Coming back to the OP.

Ravan’Tindal doesn’t contain a World Gate. That is a a larger and older version of an Ansharan Gate.
We could call it a Giant’s Gate.
It does connect to the rest of the Ansharan Portal network, as it allowed the players to escape if need be.
But in the description you copied it specifically mentions

it tells the story of a group of men, even taller than the Cyclops of Saam Ur who arrived one day and began to build an even more enormous and elaborate version of the portal that stands before you.

That larger and more elaborate gate would be the World Gate.
One thing I always wondered about the World Gate is if the description from To Peel the Veil of Lightness and Dark (described as a tube not a ring) was replaced by the description from Condemnation (described as a large ring), or if there are two World Gates.
Any word Henry if the change of description is a retcon? You did write both modules.

As one of the new players on the block, I’ve been trying to comb end to end of my campaign book for answers.

Answers as to why a race like the Ssanu would want to create a race like the Ellori without some sort of control mechanize in place to keep them under control. We know they had in the early days of their war with the Il’Huan that the Ssanu could call creatures from beyond the mortal realm and create new races that cater to their every whim. Yet when it came time to forge the agreement with the elemental lords, it was said that most of these technomancy creations were deemed unviable or failures.

And then there’s the story as to how Belisarda was captured and turned from a mad earth goddess into the life goddess that breathed life into the Ellori. It sounds very fishy and quite vague. Yet this reveal of the ‘World Gate’ might paint alternative spin on the creation of the Ellori; one that suggests they were never created but rather brought over with their collective memories rearranged.