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- December 13, 2013 at 7:01 pm #150401AnonymousInactive
I remember on the old forums there was a discussion about the weapon trick, “Grasp the Blade”. (specifically, what it meant to “negate” an attack.) Does anyone remember what the consensus was? (Or if a consensus was ever reached?)
Thanks,
ScottDecember 13, 2013 at 7:22 pm #253296AnonymousInactivesorry Scott i don’t remember the discussion at all, can you give us the gist of the issue? (or is it what does Negate an attack” actually mean?
December 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm #253298AnonymousInactiveI believe it was just treated as if they’d missed. That’s the way it remains simple and straight forward.
JohnDecember 13, 2013 at 7:51 pm #253300AnonymousInactivesorry Scott i don’t remember the discussion at all, can you give us the gist of the issue? (or is it what does Negate an attack” actually mean?Essentially, the question is, “what does it mean to negate an attack?”
Does the attacker suffer all the normal speed and recovery (if any) from his attack, it just automatically misses? (Or does this work kind of like counterspell where the attacker can just do it again 1 tick later?)
If the attacker used a limited resource, like a smite ability, is the usage still used up?
stuff like that.
I believe it was just treated as if they’d missed. That’s the way it remains simple and straight forward.I hope that’s the answer, for simplicity’s sake. But I couldn’t remember and wanted to see if anyone else could.
Scott
December 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm #253301AnonymousInactiveI cant see any reason why that wouldn’t be the answer
December 14, 2013 at 5:02 am #253379frootsnaxParticipantAll the attack choices are made. Then you negate the attack. I assume smites etc are wasted and that speed and recovery apply to the attacker.
December 16, 2013 at 8:04 am #253457AnonymousInactiveThat’s what I remember as well: all the relevant costs were paid or expended and then it had no effect (otherwise you expend your grasp the blade and the guy who was smiting you just does it again the next tick)
December 18, 2013 at 5:24 pm #253694AnonymousInactiveCorrect,
It’s as if they missed the attack… the attacker still pays all the speed and recovery for the failed attack…
Yes.. it can suck, a lot.. but you committed to the attack with all the “gusto” you would have if you would have it, as such, you suffer the full speed and recovery of that attack.
December 18, 2013 at 5:56 pm #253708AnonymousInactiveThe big question is (and I assume the answer is yes) does using grasp the blade negate the attack for all potential targets? So if a big bad used sweeping strike and you used grasp the blade, the entire attack is negated.
John
December 18, 2013 at 6:02 pm #253710AnonymousInactiveIt’s as if they missed the attack
John, I’m going to go with no
December 18, 2013 at 6:27 pm #253714AnonymousInactiveIf it were my table, I’d say yes. Picture, if you will, Bad Guy #1 performing a sweeping strike on three targets: A, B and C.
B is wearing a gauntlet and wants to push his click by 3 to Grasp the blade. Originally, I was going to suggest that the attack on A would proceed as normal and when the bad buy gets to B, the grasp the blade goes off and, if successful, negates the attack, thus ending it for both B and C. But then I thought about it… If you’re going to push your clock to pre-emptively “grasp the blade” and negate the attack, why would you wait until after the blade cuts into your buddy? If it were just you, you’d be stepping into the attack and grabbing the weapon, thus preventing the attack as it’s just beginning. So I see no reason why that wouldn’t work with a sweeping strike as well. Visually, I see it working just the same. So at my tables, barring a ruling otherwise, it will work.
Scott
December 18, 2013 at 6:28 pm #253715AnonymousInactiveThe big question is (and I assume the answer is yes) does using grasp the blade negate the attack for all potential targets? So if a big bad used sweeping strike and you used grasp the blade, the entire attack is negated.
John
to keep things simple. I would say yes.. because you don’t choose who you attack 1st
December 20, 2013 at 9:23 am #253867AnonymousInactiveSweeping strike is also a single attack from my understanding of it, it just happens to target multiple people (now if it was called multi-swing that’s a different idea) so one attack with one negation…
1-1=0December 20, 2013 at 9:38 am #253868frootsnaxParticipantSweeping strike is also a single attack from my understanding of it, it just happens to target multiple people (now if it was called multi-swing that’s a different idea) so one attack with one negation…
1-1=0IMO totally irrelevant.
If you gasp their blade you have it till you either choose to let go or the attacker takes a push 2 action to pull it free. The attacker can’t take the push action on their turn, so attacks with *that* weapon are done at that point. If you are flowing sand or whatever I also believe you also either have to leave that weapon behind or stop moving. I don’t think you’d use Grasp the Blade every fight, but its a good trick to have when you do want it.
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