Inches … miles whats the difference.

the difference is that I’m not insisting on playing a “disciplus geometricus” path character (crafting path) with substitutions for the crafting talents. and asking for errata to be made for the class so that it is playable.

It’s functionally the difference between playing a character with the last name val’Sungha and a character that is a val’Sungha. I believe you guys are advocating for the former, and he believes the latter, its a stupid line in the sand, but like I said earlier the other people that are crossing it are saying they are playing Ul’s so its significant somewhere.

thank you Joe, that is certainly part of what I am saying, my first post was not the complete conversation (as thats spread over some other posts).

its not that the inches that bother me, its the miles that people take. but I don’t see how to deal with it other than not let people take the inches.

Personally, I would rather see that come out in some sort of different version that utilizes the same rules, because the Rune Casting and Geometric Talents look to be pretty interesting (and maybe a bit powerful)

So a possible alternate replacement path:
red indicated new / changed from disciplus geomtricus, and blue is the new talent i added to replace rune crafting

Rune Focused Caster

Requirements:
Initiate
Talent: Arcane Spell Casting (Tier 1)
Skills: Arcanum (Thaumaturgy, Sorcery or Shamanism)
Artisan: (Stoneworking, Woodworking, Leatherworking, Metalworking, or Tailoring),
Knowledge: (Arcanum), and
Knowledge: (Metaphysics)
Must posses at least one Rune that benefits spellcasting

and would give a benefit of:
Skill: Artisan(any one), Knowledge: (Metaphysics)
Talents: Rune Casting, Metaphysical Understanding

Adept
Requirements:
Rune Focused Caster Initiate
6 ranks in all of the above required skills
Must posses at least one Tier 2 Rune that benefits spellcasting

Benefits
Skill: Linguistics, Knowledge: (Arcanum), Knowledge: (Metaphysics)
Talents: Runic Focus, Geometric Adaptation

Master
Requirements:
Rune Focused Caster Adept
9 ranks in all the required skills
Must posses at least one Tier 3 Rune that benefits spellcasting

Benefits
Skill: Arcanum: (any), Artisan(any one), and Knowledge: (Metaphysics)
Talents: Runic Focus Second Tier, Rune Casting

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Talent Runic Focus (this can be one talent or split into differently named talents)
Tier 1 benefit: (Minor Benefit for using a runed item while casting) +1 to hit when casting with a rune
Tier 2 benefit: (better different bonus) +1 to the benefit from the rune you use

in my mind, yeah any rune on a wand would qualify, as would weapon runes like the elemental runes , its a pretty easy requirement to fill

An ul’ of Sarish (playing a Unsealed Lands val’Mehan).
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Do you mean mean Khitani instead of Unsealed Lands? Even when Haina was a player option, there were no Ul there.

I dont know what campaign staff would say…but here is my 2 cents…

I think the difference with the Kio/Val (as Sungha) is that League of Princes is a valid starting area. (Unnsealed Lands are not)….also, story-wise, there are NO Vals/Uls in the Unsealed Lands (other than Vasik)…Even if Haina were to become playable, and Uls were a valid racial option….he could not be an Ul’Tensen (or whatever) from Haina because they simply do not exist.

My opinion on the 2 Rune classes are as follows. They should be legal for players. BUT players should not crafting anything for monetary gain, especially magical items. Players should be warned that they will not be able to craft runes (or other times) for profit or at cheaper rates. There should be no monetary benefit from craft runes, or craft anything. I think that players with Inscribe Rune should be able to act as an available rune smith for a table, if he/she has access to a “rune forge” (?). Which doesn’t do much for anyone considering there is already a rune smith in that city.

He’s the thing though, it allows players to take rune casting, but more importantly, it will open up role-playing opportunities! Examples.

A player with inscribe rune is asked to help a rune smith out. Insert some sort of reward.

Players find a dying relic, a table with a rune smith is able to salvage the item and get it back to the *insert society/nation*. Insert some sort of reward.

Players with inscribe rune find knowledge of a lost rune. Runesmith players who gain this reward can learn to inscribe this rune. Other players in the campaign can only gain access to that rune by playing at a table or LARP with someone with that talent. Again for no monetary gain, they may not profit from making this rune for other players).

I think players making craft characters is fine, but in the campaign, it should not be a means of making or saving money. Game economies are hard to control with any kind of crafting going on. But I think like any other non-adventuring skill (see perform: any, profession: any, or knowledge: Altherian Fashion), it makes for great role-playing and flushes out characters.