Infernal Servant and Sarishan Binder

So, path overrules then the tier 4 requirement? Because under talents it is listed as Requirements: Hero Tier IV, val’Mehan. But I can take Tier 1: Anoined Priest, Tier 2: Sarishan Binder Initiate and Tier 3 Sarishan Binder Master – gaining the Infernal Servant talent.

And under the benefit section something which does not help to clarify it: When you first choose this bloodline power, you gain it as a Tier 3 Talent.

So maybe yes, as a Sarishan Binder you get it as a tier 3 talent, and get and improve your infernal from then on, taking loyal companion 3, 4 and 5 as a non-Sarishan Binder you can only take it at tier 4 as a bloodline talent, thus only improving it with the tier 4 and 5 talent version?

For the loyal companion talent – the errata is not 100% clear, can you just take the tier 3 talent of loyal companion, or would you need to take tier 1 and 2 as well to improve your infernal? And I guess you don’t need to meet the requirements: Animal Affinity (ta), Beast Lore as a trained skill – would make no sense for infernals.

Also to clear things up.. when you get Infernal Companion you gain Loyal Companion at Tier III, but instead of getting a Tier I animal and improving it… you gain a Tier III infernal at it’s base stats, after which you can take Loyal Companion IV & V to further improve it’s attributes.

So when you take it you get the tier three loyal companion but get an infernal companion at base stats (no +2 from the tier III talent). But you can at the next tier take the Tier IV talent and go from no bonus on the companion, straight to a +3? That seems a huge jump in one talent tier.

sounds like it, but its the same as making that TIII monster a TIV monster

I’ll take your word for it, since I am not that up on monster advancements. But it is clear that the infernal servant went from better than a normal companion to Waaay better than a normal companion, because in the same tier change everyone else’s companion only went up by +1

Tier I: Your companion gains a +1 to all skills and defenses.
You gain +2 to all Beast Lore and Ride (if applicable) checks
when dealing with your companion.
Tier II: Your companion gains +2 to all Action Skill Rolls
and defenses. You gain a +2 bonus to all Empathy checks
when dealing with your animal companion. Lastly, from this
point onwards, your companion’s Stamina is equal to your
own.
Tier III: Your companion gains +2 to all
Action Skill Rolls and defenses.
Tier IV: Your companion gains +3 to all
Action Skill Rolls and defenses.
Tier V: Your companion gains +4 to all Action Skill Rolls
and defenses.

There little-to-no difference between them. With, say, a Wolf you gain a base version of the animal, and automatically gain a +1. At Tier II you gain a further +2, giving a net increase of +3 over the base animal. At Tier III you gain an additional +2, for a net gain of +5 over the base animal. At Tier I you gain an additional +3, for a net gain of +8 over the base animal. At Tier V you gain a +4, for a net gain of +12.

Normal monsters typically gain +3 to their stats/tier (+4 at IV and V IIRC). This means that at Tier III they gain a total of +9 for skills (and defences), plus whatever talents and bonus’ they have. At the same point, the above wolf will have +5 IN ADDITION to whatever skill bonus they already had, which for an Alpha Wolf is +5. This means that at the same Tier, the Wolf would get a +10.

Where does it say those are additional? I thought you got an animal at tier 1 and it got a +1 (cumulative) each tier. So at the end it is only at wolf +4. These are all just talents, so each tier doesn’t stack with the previous.

Tier I: Your companion gains a +1 to all skills and defenses.
You gain +2 to all Beast Lore and Ride (if applicable) checks
when dealing with your companion.
Tier II: Your companion gains +2 to all Action Skill Rolls
and defenses. You gain a +2 bonus to all Empathy checks
when dealing with your animal companion. Lastly, from this
point onwards, your companion’s Stamina is equal to your
own.
Tier III: Your companion gains +2 to all
Action Skill Rolls and defenses.
Tier IV: Your companion gains +3 to all
Action Skill Rolls and defenses.
Tier V: Your companion gains +4 to all Action Skill Rolls
and defenses.

There little-to-no difference between them. With, say, a Wolf you gain a base version of the animal, and automatically gain a +1. At Tier II you gain a further +2, giving a net increase of +3 over the base animal. At Tier III you gain an additional +2, for a net gain of +5 over the base animal. At Tier I you gain an additional +3, for a net gain of +8 over the base animal. At Tier V you gain a +4, for a net gain of +12.

Normal monsters typically gain +3 to their stats/tier (+4 at IV and V IIRC). This means that at Tier III they gain a total of +9 for skills (and defences), plus whatever talents and bonus’ they have. At the same point, the above wolf will have +5 IN ADDITION to whatever skill bonus they already had, which for an Alpha Wolf is +5. This means that at the same Tier, the Wolf would get a +10.

Where does it say those are additional? I thought you got an animal at tier 1 and it got a +1 (cumulative) each tier. So at the end it is only at wolf +4. These are all just talents, so each tier doesn’t stack with the previous.

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