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- June 9, 2016 at 10:24 pm #272912AnonymousInactive
Hypothetically, if there were extra souls contained with the body of a priest who was trained to “carry” them, what would happen to the souls when the carrier died?
Based on the metaphysics of the universe as we know it, presumably they’d either go to the Cauldron or be released as Shades. To be honest, I don’t know which is more likely, but if a Beltinian willingly traps souls in them knowing that they’d be damned as Shades forever, I think they’d be horrified.
June 9, 2016 at 10:32 pm #272914AnonymousInactiveHaakon would be most unhappy with anyone or anything that would deny a soul passage to the Judgement of Nier and either the Paradise of the Gods or the Cauldron. No one should pass on before their time (hence the beef with the Grey Crones), but “trapping a soul” sounds bad to me. To be honest I wrestled with the issue of bringing Nasha back, but convinced myself that if Beltine didn’t want it to happen the process would fail. She is a goddess after all.
June 9, 2016 at 10:39 pm #272916drafitParticipantTo be honest I wrestled with the issue of bringing Nasha back, but convinced myself that if Beltine didn’t want it to happen the process would fail. She is a goddess after all.

Assuming She was looking in at that time, one would presume.
The Human Pantheon have never been associated with omniscience, so Beltine or one of Her Valinor would have to have been present or aware of what was occurring.
June 9, 2016 at 10:50 pm #272917AnonymousInactiveHmm given the mojo we saw with Illiir and his Cursing the Dwarves I got the impression the Human Pantheon was pretty “Omni” everything. Besides when playing that mod with Haakon and “playing in character” it would have violated rule zero (Don’t be a jerk) to kick up a fuss about returning Nasha. At least that’s the way it seemed to me at the time. So I dialed the exorcist back a bit so we all had fun at the table. Having fun with friends is the whole part of the exercise to me.

That said thanks for the update Henry. Food for thought as it were. I was raised Catholic with that whole “infallibility” thing you know.
June 9, 2016 at 11:54 pm #272921AnonymousInactiveIn terms of Illiir knowing about the subjugation of humanity, if you trust the Encali and the Reavers, they were the ones who told Illiir about the shenanigans that the Tir Betoqi and Solani were doing, not Illiir’s omniscience. When they call got Cursed for their trouble, the Encali turned to Sarish, and the Reavers. . . well, into Reavers.
How true this story is, however, is subject to debate.
June 10, 2016 at 12:38 am #272922AnonymousInactiveConsidering the “omnipotence” displayed when Illiir cursed the Celestial Giants, him having a lack of omniscience concerning their subjugation of humanity suggests the gods have some dangerous blind spots. Of course given the classical mythological models that inspired the Arcanis pantheon, powerful gods with “human” qualities certainly fit and I have no issues with that. I don’t know if I would want to bet my character’s life on pulling one over the gods though.
June 10, 2016 at 12:42 am #272923AnonymousInactiveIf you’re trying to ‘pull one over’ a god, by definition, you have their attention at the start of the process…
June 10, 2016 at 12:49 am #272926AnonymousInactiveBut that’s only if they know about it, and Henry says they are not omniscient. Which if you think about they can’t be otherwise it would eliminate or severely curtail human agency. And then how could be “big damned heroes.” (sorry channeling Firefly here
)June 10, 2016 at 4:40 am #272932AnonymousInactiveHypothetically, if there were extra souls contained with the body of a priest who was trained to “carry” them, what would happen to the souls when the carrier died?
Based on the metaphysics of the universe as we know it, presumably they’d either go to the Cauldron or be released as Shades. To be honest, I don’t know which is more likely, but if a Beltinian willingly traps souls in them knowing that they’d be damned as Shades forever, I think they’d be horrified.
Those seem like reasonable options given our player knowledge. Is it possible that one or more released souls might become shades who could possess other living people?June 10, 2016 at 4:59 am #272934AnonymousInactiveThose seem like reasonable options given our player knowledge. Is it possible that one or more released souls might become shades who could possess other living people?
That is a common trope of D&D ghosts. I don’t recall seeing any examples since moving to the new rules set (and don’t offhand recall any D&D3.5 Arcanis games where it happened either).June 10, 2016 at 12:15 pm #272937AnonymousInactiveThose seem like reasonable options given our player knowledge. Is it possible that one or more released souls might become shades who could possess other living people?
That is a common trope of D&D ghosts. I don’t recall seeing any examples since moving to the new rules set (and don’t offhand recall any D&D3.5 Arcanis games where it happened either).Well yes, but I do find it very odd that an Exorcist – someone who specializes in forces souls out of a possessed person, can not tell if there are additional souls/shades inside a person. What is that talent for if not for that exact purpose?
June 11, 2016 at 5:27 am #272959frootsnaxParticipantIf I recall correctly the shades of both Lucius Orata and Duke Adolf val’Tensen possessed people in the old campaign. It’s not something that has gotten a lot of attention. To my knowledge there really hasn’t ever been an Arcanis module based on an investigation to see if someone is possessed and then doing something about it. (That might change with current developments). I think with Beltinian exorcists one can assume that possession is enough of a problem that people have (over the ages) explored and developed specific ways to combat it.
Possession is a literary trope as well as a D&D one. I think it’s possible in the Arcanis world
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