Q&A Sarishan Sorcerer Priests and Divine Archetype

For the Divine Archetype specific advancement – select any 2 Devout Talents, this should be clarified to note that ASC: Sarishan Sorcerer Priest is an acceptable choice.

Solid Find.. will add

And I disagree with the disagreement. There is no Divine Spellcasting talent for Sarish. Archetype determines what additional Talent advancement options are available. In every other instance of the rules requiring Divine Spellcasting, the notation is made that “unless you are a worshipper of Sarish”. This has always felt like an oversight to me, and saying it doesn’t count for this one thing seems contradictory.

In every other instance of the rules requiring Divine Spellcasting, the notation is made that “unless you are a worshipper of Sarish”.

In all other instances this is included because it would deny Divine builds of Sarish being built. ie Divine Archetype, Initiate of the Gods background, and Templar background.
But nothing is denied to the player they just have to use a different advancement.
And Arcane Archetype Sorcerer Priest of Sarish uses “Gain 2 Arcanum Talents” to gain new spell casting, while a Divine Archetype Sorcerer Priest of Sarish uses “Gain any 2 Talents” to learn new spells.
I see nothing wrong with this set up.

I don’t see the oversight.
You’re right the intent is to replace DSC with ASC for the SPS “in character creation.” Character creation is filled with exceptions and one offs and not just with the SPS. While Advancements have no exceptions.
Perhaps we should add the rule that Weapon Training (national), or Weapon Mastery (national) can’t be selected during Advancements, because it’s not stated anywhere and they do exists in character creation.

Why are we fixing something that doesn’t need fixing. If there was something in the rules that denied a Divine Archetype the ability to gain new Tiers of Arcane Spell Casting I’d be in complete agreement with everyone else.
I feel we are adding to rules that are already clear, workable, and in my opinion understandable. ASC is NOT DSC even to a Sorcerer Priest of Sarish. SPS gets ASC instead of DSC during character creation.

I agree with others (and disagree with Vault) – it’s clear to me that the intent is that ASC(SP) = DSC in all ways for SPs.

Hmm. Maybe that’s a simpler errata and will encompass any other places it was missed – “Special: For Sorcerer-Priests of Sarish, all references to DSC are replaced with ASC(SP)”.

Choices have consequences? If you want to jack up on Arcane Talents (including this talent), then you take the Arcane Archetype. If you want to boost up Devout talents, you then take the Divine Archetype. For example: You want to cast into melee, and you can take either Blessed Devotions or Arcane Accuracy. Blessed Devotions is, hands down, the better talent.

To be honest I’m tempted to keep the divine advancement table the way it is, yes it bones over Binders a little, but it’s not like they can’t work around it

Personally, I’m fine if ASC: SPS is considered both Arcane and Divine or if it is not. I do NOT think that it should allow equal access to both Devout and Arcanum talents, however. You choose your archetype, and you are restricted to those. If you want to learn Devout talents, you then take something which unlocks them through another way (like, say, a Path). I think the ASC: SPS talent should say “You gain access to either Devout talents (if Divine Archetype) or Arcaum Talents (if Arcane Archetype).

This is where we disagree… Binders see magic very differently… its not how they where trained, it’s how they think.

they can pull upon tradition (divine) and see the truth behind the cants, allowing them to modify them (Arcane)

if anything, their access to both will remain the same.