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  • February 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm #150663
    Anonymous
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    Does a shield count as armor when determining whether or not masterful defense is active?

    February 4, 2014 at 3:24 pm #256269
    Anonymous
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    there has been no clear ruling on this.

    I would say You Can’t use a shield and masterful Defense at the same time.

    but the floor is open, what does everyone else think?

    February 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm #256275
    Anonymous
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    I disagree. A tower shield might be a bit much, but I think a buckler or light shield fits perfectly with the spirit of the talent.

    February 4, 2014 at 4:14 pm #256279
    Anonymous
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    I am in the realm of “You can use a shield with masterful defense”. While it wouldn’t make logical sense for a tower shield, I think it needs to be simple as “You can use all shields” or “You can’t use any shields”

    John

    February 4, 2014 at 4:33 pm #256282
    Anonymous
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    Shields seem to count as both Armor and Weapons. So to keep that consistent I would say no you can’t use masterful defense with a Shield because it is armor.

    February 4, 2014 at 4:45 pm #256283
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    I’m of a mind with Harliquinn on this. While a buckler could arguably fit the spirit of the Talent, for the sake of clarity I would say no shields.

    February 4, 2014 at 5:01 pm #256287
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    Shields don’t count as armor for most effects, like spells. But they are on the armor equipment list. So I don’t know. Pedro question. I would personally like the answer to be you can masterful and shield, because being unarmored is hard enough already.

    February 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm #256289
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    Yeah the big issue is that sometimes Shields are considered Armor and sometimes not (Training). I think shields are intended to stack with Masterful Defense in general because they both give an Avoidance Bump. Masterful Defense’s purposes seems to be to trade AR for Avoidance, not Avoidance for Avoidance. Without checking, do tower shields give SB or something else? That might be a way to differentiate. Masterful Defense stacks with shields that give an SB bonus.

    John

    February 5, 2014 at 1:28 am #256330
    Anonymous
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    Without checking, do tower shields give SB or something else? That might be a way to differentiate. Masterful Defense stacks with shields that give an SB bonus.

    John
    From the equipment list:

    Tower Shield
    Shield Bonus 3
    Shield Modifier 4
    Cost 50 Sc
    Weight 20 lb.
    Encumbrance 4

    To keep in your line of thinking, you could say shields without the Unwieldy quality.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:47 am #256333
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    As written, I’d say they do stack. There was discussion of this on the old forums, and the concensus was we needed an official answer \":)\" I have at least one player locally that this matters for, because they’re runing up a shield. Personally, I like the “can use with shields without the Unwieldy quality”

    February 5, 2014 at 2:21 am #256334
    Anonymous
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    I’d prefer to not to add riders to rules like “Yes except X” id rather a simple yes or no

    it looks like people are genreally in favor of shields and masterful defense

    February 5, 2014 at 2:13 pm #256354
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    when I created Masterful Defense

    Special: You lose this bonus to Avoidance if you wear any armor.

    Shields are not worn.. but wielded..

    I admit, I should have spelled it out better, but yes, you can use shields with Masterful Defense..

    Enjoy as you go “all 300” with your bad self \":P\"

    February 5, 2014 at 3:00 pm #256357
    Anonymous
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    Thanks Pedro!

    February 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm #256441
    Anonymous
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    Lol. 300 was my frame of reference on this too Pedro.

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