Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

Nothing Official of course…

1) I would say that you can describe your attacks however you want, with whatever body part you choose. The ‘first’ attack would be your Main Hand and the ‘second’ attack would be your Off-Hand.
2) For balance, I would say you lose the benefits of a shield while TWF with unarmed strikes. After all you are contorting your body in such a way as to knee, kick, or elbow slam someone. That puts your shield out of position to effectively block an attack.

John

I agree with both of the above statements. That is how I would rule it till an official answer.

2) For balance, I would say you lose the benefits of a shield while TWF with unarmed strikes. After all you are contorting your body in such a way as to knee, kick, or elbow slam someone. That puts your shield out of position to effectively block an attack.

For balance of what?

there is nothing in the rules to say “you can’t use a shield and TWF with unarmed”

John you are falling into a logical fallacy called “Denying the Antecedent”

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.

You could come up with other scenarios that make perfect sense, like your first attack is a headbutt and its followed by a kick.

I feel that this is a gut reaction, and not supported by the rules.

sure but i dont think the question is about a shield taking up a hand, I don’t disagree with that at all.

The question was does “using TWF with unarmed combat” mean you cant use a shield.

Unarmed
Description: There are countless styles of unarmed combat thought the lands. This weapon represents the use of any portion of the body when striking an opponent; specific styles may dictate which portion of the attacker’s body is actually used to perform the strike.

it would however be a hindrance on people using two claw attacks (like to qualify for the tooth and claw fighting style)

on further (offline) discussion I feel it worth noting, that most anyone could take advantage of a kick attack using melee unarmed.

John it looks like you are just making up rules that don’t appear in the books just to make something consistent. I would happily agree with you if you found some basis in the rules to ground this on, but “for the sake of consistency” doesn’t cut it for me.

so TWF attacks with tail bracers aren’t allowed?
how about guarded charge + spinning strikes and a dark kin with Massive Horns

here is an equally simple solution in line with the two you listed.
C You can use a shield while TWF with unarmed.

This game is simple, I think its clear that unarmed combat is supposed to be something that encompasses martial arts, boxing and wrestling. I think that you are trying to force something that doesn’t fit.