Advanced Spell – Speed/Strain

I’ll be honest, the CTN’s on adaptations are rather high compared to CTN for Advanced Spells. Otherwise, I don’t see a big issue with that, since the Improved Arc Lightning is still a Base Spell and could be combined with something still.

maybe we need to increase the CTN of the combined spell and go highest speed/strain

Ok… this is what we have so far

• CTN: Equal to the sum of both CTNs – 12.

• Speed & Strain: Reviewing both the speed and strain values of the both base spells; apply the highest speed value as the advanced spell’s speed+1 and the highest strain value as the advanced spells strain +1

I’m ok with that, however i would really like to hear other opinions

I’m not sure I’m good with a ‘fixed’ CTN bump. Assuming a 3 CTN / Tier from Tier I for most spells…

If you combine:

CTN 18 + CTN 18 (Tier 1’s) = CTN 25 (Roughly Tier 3 casting difficulty)

CTN 21 + CTN 21 (Tier 2’s) = CTN 30 (Roughly Tier 5 casting difficulty)

CTN 24 + CTN 24 (Tier 3’s) = CTN 36 (Roughly Tier 7 casting difficulty)

As much as I hate to complicate things, I would think that an Advanced Spell of 2 Tier 1 spells should be about as difficult to cast as a Tier II spell.

so CTN 18 + 18 = 21-22

CTN 21 + CTN 21 = 24-25

CTN 24 + CTN 25 = 27-28

CTN 27 + CTN 27 = 30-31

CTN 30 + CTN 30 = 33-34

Maybe it’s take the Highest CTN and add 3 (or 4)?

John

Still doesn’t help combining 2 fast spells like 1 (6) and 1 (6) to become 6 (6).

John

Having looked at the other suggestions, I’m all for a simple solution.

How about the same rules as Advanced Martial Techniques for speed and strain? The increased CTN is already a penalty and the big strain totals will penalise further. Also means players don’t need to use two different advanced rules.

Lets use a common combo to test: Pound of Flesh + Elemental Bolt

Current Method: CTN 21, Spd 7, Strain 4
Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 21, Spd 6, Strain 5
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 24, Spd 6, Strain 4
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 21, Spd 5, Strain 7

That strain will be a big limiting factor (even with burning Fate Points).

As a bonus, oddball spells like Smite Heretic are much easier to calculate, and consistent with a couple of Martial Techniques that are strait add/subtract values.

Base Spells: Enemy of my Enemy + Elemental Bolt
CTN: 21
Speed (Strain): 8 (6)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 21, Spd 7, Strain 6
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 24, Spd 7, Strain 6
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 21, Spd 5, Strain 9

Curse of the Brine Queen (Advanced) – by Eric Gorman
Category: Advanced
Base Spells: Black Tongue + Diminish Senses
CTN: 21
Speed (Strain): +7 (7)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 21, Spd 6, Strain 6
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 24, Spd 6, Strain 6
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 21, Spd 5, Strain 8
Note: The errata on dispelling via Mettle will make this less popular.

Telekinetic Scream (Advanced) – by Eric Gorman
Category: Advanced
Base Spells: Concussive Wave + Mental Scream
CTN: 21
Speed (Strain): +7 (4)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 21, Spd 6, Strain 6
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 24, Spd 6, Strain 4
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 21, Spd 5, Strain 6

Sarish’s Furnace (Advanced) – by Peter Teismann
Base Spells: Blood Boil + Heat Wave
CTN: 20
Speed (Strain): +6 (3)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 20, Spd 5, Strain 5
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 23, Spd 5, Strain 3
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 20, Spd 4, Strain 6

Sarish Binds You (Advanced) – by Peter Teismann
Sources: Elder, Eldritch, Sorcerer-Priests
Base Spells: Black Ice + Entangling Webs
CTN: 21
Speed (Strain): +7 (4)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 21, Spd 6, Strain 5
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 24, Spd 6, Strain 4
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 24, Spd 5, Strain 7

Doggerel of the Dizzying Strike (Advanced, Tier II) – by John Bellando
Sources: Eldritch
Base Spells: Far Strike + Disorient
CTN: 25
Speed (Strain): Weapon+5 (+7)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 25, Spd 6, Strain 6
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 28, Spd 6, Strain 6
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 25, Spd 5, Strain 7

Spell: Elemental Lightning Bolt (Advanced) – by John Bellando
Sources: Elder, Eldritch, Sorcerer-Priest
Base Spells: Arc of Lightning (30′ Range Adaptation) + Elemental Bolt
CTN: 23
Speed (String): +6 (4)

Proposed Errata first draft: CTN 23, Spd 5, Strain 5
Proposed Errata Pedro Post: CTN 26, Spd 5, Strain 3
Adv Martial Technique method: CTN 23, Spd 4, Strain 6

Interestly, due to the base spells, ones that target avoidance about the same overall (trading speed for strain), but spells that target Fort or Disc have a much higher strain outcome with little difference in speed.

Issue: What about spells that are gotten at higher tiers in some traditions than others? For example: Inferno is a Tier III Primal Elemental Spell, and a Tier IV val’Virdan/Emman spell.