Advanced Spell – Speed/Strain

Issue: What about spells that are gotten at higher tiers in some traditions than others? For example: Inferno is a Tier III Primal Elemental Spell, and a Tier IV val’Virdan/Emman spell.Use the tier associated with whatever tradition you are casting it from. If you happen to have both traditions, pick one.
Looking up at the advanced spells, I’m left to wonder how the original edit I proposed was so bad.. in almost every case it lowered the speed of the original combined spell.

the only think it lacked was a slight increase in CTN (less then what I propose now)Personally, I didn’t have a problem with the original proposal. I’m just proposing a slightly outside the box solution to one of the more recent debates within this topic.

Scott

Looking up at the advanced spells, I’m left to wonder how the original edit I proposed was so bad.. in almost every case it lowered the speed of the original combined spell.

the only think it lacked was a slight increase in CTN (less then what I propose now)
Besides that you could be forced to use two strain values or two speed values as both of the new values?

As John pointed out, combining two very fast but exhaustive spells (low speed, high strain) meant the new spell having (high speed, high strain) every single time. Using the Martial Technique’s method, it should be possible to get a distribution of low, medium, and high for both values.

Plus, as was pointed out by someone else too, consistency between AMT and AS is a good thing.

Looking up at the advanced spells, I’m left to wonder how the original edit I proposed was so bad.. in almost every case it lowered the speed of the original combined spell.

the only think it lacked was a slight increase in CTN (less then what I propose now)
Besides that you could be forced to use two strain values or two speed values as both of the new values?

As John pointed out, combining two very fast but exhaustive spells (low speed, high strain) meant the new spell having (high speed, high strain) every single time. Using the Martial Technique’s method, it should be possible to get a distribution of low, medium, and high for both values.

Plus, as was pointed out by someone else too, consistency between AMT and AS is a good thing.

True, but of you look at the final values…across the board they were faster and in some cases only +1 strain over the original spell..

AWM also had the additional weapon speed cost added to the final numbers, a factor missing with spells.

Maybe use the AWM method + a modifier?

If going with the A:MT method, no modifier is needed.
Recovery <> Strain for a penalty, and higher Strain overall is a GOOD thing for balance. The Strain in general is much higher for some spell combinations.

While under Recovery, you can still use Base Attacks or a Manoeuvre without a Recovery (ie: continue the same attack mode).
While under Strain, you can’t do any other spell without dealing with the strain somehow, potential Vanquishing yourself. This would also help slow down Minion spellcasters (where there are dozens of the annoying **** throwing something like Black Tongue at you).

Ok going with the A:MT speed/recovery system…

changed the CTN to Equal to the sum of both CTNs – 13

keeping it at -15