Animal Companions

Actually the fact that I could not break the new rules was what attracted me to come back. Good work.

The rules got pounded on pretty extensively not just tier 1.0, but up through tier 4.5. One play test group went heavy melee and had a hard time finding the value in spellcasting. Another group went heavy spellcasting and the melee had a hard time keeping up. Not intentionally breaking focusing on two different angles, just what happened. I think the rules are pretty solid.

With a sweep of his hat,

Paul

Some people play games as a form of escapism (to play the character). Some people play games to solve problems (those who like puzzles). Some people play games to be immortal badasses who cannot be beaten (typically to counteract deficiencies in life). Arcanis appeals to the first two, while the third group tends to twink out characters because it isn’t about the experience or the puzzles, it is about winning and that is it. Since Arcanis does not typically reward the last groups efforts, they leave the game.

If you gain two copies of it in one tier (ie: via a Path), then you do not gain the benefits of the higher tier abilities until YOU are of that higher tier. All it allows is for you to not have to spend another Talent in the later tier to get the talent.

I dont think that logic works, but if you read the other thread Pedro is considering changing the rules

I recomend reading page 170 and pg 274 in ARPG

As I read it, you cant voulntarily take a tiered talent after its been assigned to you via path, however you can be assigned a talent from a path after you have taken it voulntarily.

Pg 170
Tiered: Tiered Talents possess one to five Tiers. When
you first take the Talent, you learn its Tier I ability. Once per
subsequent Tier you may take the same Talent again to learn
the Talent’s next Tier ability provided your Hero Tier is at
least as high.

Pg 274
Talents
You gain any Talents listed, including Weapon Training
and Tiered Talents; if you already possess a Talent listed, you
gain no additional benefit. If you already possess Weapon
Training in a listed weapon you may choose another weapon
or choose Weapon Mastery with that weapon instead (or
take the next Tier in Weapon Mastery with that particular
weapon if you already possess it). In the case of Tiered
Talents, you gain the next Tier’s ability, but may not utilize
or benefit from it until you are of an equal Tier. Talents
granted by Paths ignore prerequisites, but not restrictions
(such as a racial restriction)

I believe that these are what you are talking about, but I see nothing here that states that you cannot take a path then a talent.
I can’t believe that you are saying you CAN
take a tiered talent then a path that gives you that tiered talent,
but you CAN’T go the other way and take a
path with a tiered talent then the tiered talent.

Is there a course offered somewhere to learn how to build characters?
I could use the college level credit

Arcanis-con is this week, so I would like a ruling. It makes a big difference to me since it means a difference of 35 stamina vs 70 stamina for my mastiff. If the ruling is that you can’t take a talent after given it in a path, I can live with it, but then I will have to replace loyal companion with another talent.

Thanks all and see you in 6 days.

Some people play games to be immortal badasses who cannot be beaten (typically to counteract deficiencies in life)
Kind of a sweeping generalization, don’t you think…

Yeah, I concur.
Who abused the old Fate score system? Who broke 3.X and resulted in BI’s that banned travel magic? Who played the Glory Tier? Who forces the generating of errata? Who did the impossible back when heroism was equated to power?
In my experience the people most likely to bend the rules until they scream are the people succeeding outside the game. The mediocre take an easy cookie-cutter approach. The failing just do what they want. The winners want to keep on winning, they understand it’s the destination not the journey that ends up in their bank account.
This isn’t really the place for this conversation -unless the chip on my shoulder amounts to an Animal Companion , but I was motivated to speak up in illumination of the idea that not only is the implication of power gamers = losers unfair, but that it also might be simply untrue.