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- May 17, 2015 at 3:11 am #267901AnonymousInactive
My view of ranged magic is that the amount of magic that you have to channel through your body dictates it’s range. To expand, after 30 feet the magic controlling that elemental mass dissipates, and the water/fire/etc loses cohesion to the point that anything past it wouldn’t do stamina damage. Basically after that the earth turns to dust and you are sandblasted, but not blugeoned. You can channel more magic to gain extra range at the cost of harder spell or more strain.
May 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm #267916AnonymousInactiveI like your take on it Cody, that does make sense.
August 21, 2015 at 4:37 pm #269429AnonymousInactive19) How widespread are the holy books in the Arcanis universe? We know that there are such things as printing presses, and on average there seems to be at least basic literacy to be found among the common folk (not just the upper class and clergy, such as in 1500’s Europe), which means that it should be possible for many people to have their own copies of the Canticle of Illiir.
19a) If these books are reasonably common, are they in a ‘commoner’ tongue, or exclusively in Altharin (or High Coryani)? Back in the afore mentioned time in Europe the bible was almost exclusively found in Latin which was not a commonly spoken tongue, but Martin Luther then translated it into German which WAS a common tongue which increased readership of the bible (as well as undercut the authority of the priesthood).
August 21, 2015 at 5:41 pm #269430AnonymousInactive20) Does the Khitani written language make use of characters like in Chinese, or do they use an alphabet like (it seems) Altharin and Coryani does? If they use characters, is there a reason they changed so noticeably from the roots of Altharin?
August 21, 2015 at 10:14 pm #269431frootsnaxParticipant19) How widespread are the holy books in the Arcanis universe? We know that there are such things as printing presses, and on average there seems to be at least basic literacy to be found among the common folk (not just the upper class and clergy, such as in 1500’s Europe), which means that it should be possible for many people to have their own copies of the Canticle of Illiir.
19a) If these books are reasonably common, are they in a ‘commoner’ tongue, or exclusively in Altharin (or High Coryani)? Back in the afore mentioned time in Europe the bible was almost exclusively found in Latin which was not a commonly spoken tongue, but Martin Luther then translated it into German which WAS a common tongue which increased readership of the bible (as well as undercut the authority of the priesthood).
A good questions. Just based on what I think makes sense I would suspect that most commoners do not own a complete copy of Holy Books (or more likely scrolls). At most i would think they might have small reliquaries with snippets of important passages they got on this or that pilgrimage. Again guessing, I believe the books would probably be written in Ancient Altherin…the various temples are all big time into Altherin (Cants if nothing else) and preserving that language keeps out translation errors. Again would tend to keep commoners from reading the books directly.
How wide spread the texts are in wealthier strata of society is a more difficult question for me. In a Renaissance (or even medieval) setting they would be fairly well distributed. The purpose of religion in that time period was Salvation and they wanted to get the word out. But in a Roman setting the reverse would have been true. Religion in Rome could be divided into “the Civic Religion” which was solely based on preventing Divine Disfavor and not Salvation. “Mystery Cults” did promised some for of enlightenment or salvation…but only for the select initiated. They were very private with their inner rites.
While it looks to me like the campaign world and the Mother Church should lean Ren/Med, its also true Coryani culture leans the opposite way. And the old mod To Shake the Pillars of Heaven implies (at least to me) that the Sacred Illuminated Scrolls are almost unique and irreplaceable. That sounds to me like the Sybelleen (sp?) Books of Ancient Rome. They were Holy and consulted in times of potential calamity. Absolutely no one but a few ever looked inside their covers at the ancient prophesies that were alleged to be held within. Most Senators never handled or saw the books, much less the plebs. I think the same is probably true of the Scrolls.
On yet a third hand, clearly Initiates and Annointed Priests are reading *something.*
If I were running a home campaign the way I might split the difference is to hold that the Illuminated Scrolls (or the Kalindruhl) are only partially transcribed and distributed to the clergy and public. Essentially there are different levels of “security clearances” you would need to gain access to more and more esoteric, controversial or sensitive parts. Maybe the Inquisition also fits into that.
No idea how it actually works out in the living campaign. I maintain that Tukufu prints and sells religious tracks to Pilgrims in the First City as part of his business with Litera Scripta Manet. Henry signed off on that when I sent the business write up to him. I don’t know if that means that the complete set of the Illuminated Scrolls can be transcribed and sold to the wealthy or if Tukufu is printing up selected sections.
August 21, 2015 at 10:24 pm #269432AnonymousInactiveI mostly ask because during the European Medieval era the ‘ownership’ of the scriptures was (by accident or design) a major form of control over the population exercised by the Roman Catholic Church. All bibles were in latin, and only the priesthood had access to them, which meant that the priests (or, more often, the Church itself) could interpret the scriptures however they wanted and pass that on to the populace who didn’t know better. Hell, there was even some cases of bibles in latin being outright wrong and rewritten by people to support their views.
When Martin Luther printed his bible, it was a translation into German from the (more original) Greek Bible, and part of the conflict between early Protestants and Catholics was due to the. . . irregularities between how the bible was preached by the church and the actual text which the commoners could now understand. I wonder if we could see some of that in groups like the Milandric Orthodox Church. Sabinus would be (I’m sure) MORE than willing to. . . creatively edit the Canticle if he thought he could get away with it, and if the commoners don’t have the ‘correct’ version handy (or can’t read/understand it), it is easier to believe how the Orthodox Church could have its schism.
Also, in terms of language I think Altharin was the tongue of the MCoC in 3.5, and I recall reading somewhere in the ARPG that High Coryani is the “holy tongue” now. This could also be another source of schism since even if it is in High Coryani, a Milandisian peasant may not speak that tongue meaning they couldn’t read it.
August 22, 2015 at 6:23 am #269433frootsnaxParticipantI mostly ask because during the European Medieval era the ‘ownership’ of the scriptures was (by accident or design) a major form of control over the population exercised by the Roman Catholic Church. All bibles were in latin, and only the priesthood had access to them, which meant that the priests (or, more often, the Church itself) could interpret the scriptures however they wanted and pass that on to the populace who didn’t know better. Hell, there was even some cases of bibles in latin being outright wrong and rewritten by people to support their views.
Heh. And we know that would never ever happen in the world of Arcanis.
Yes. I agree with your interpretation of history and also think its likely that most garden variety people in Arcanis don’t have access to the full Holy texts. While most knights and nobles in the early medieval period didn’t read Latin a lot of the upper crust in Arcanis do read Ancient Altherian. I don’t know if King Gerhart or the Gracchi family have a full and complete copy of the Illuminated Scrolls but I think its possible. They certainly have something …It might be interesting if Sabinius (and the Milandesian branch) do not have the full and complete documents of the Illuminated Scrolls. Though I find this doubtful. I assume the Archprelate of Milandir has a complete copy.
…snip… in terms of language I think Altharin was the tongue of the MCoC in 3.5, and I recall reading somewhere in the ARPG that High Coryani is the “holy tongue” now.
Do you have a reference for this? I don’t recall seeing it. My belief is that the Mother Church (and its derivatives) write in Ancient Altherian. Fancy services might be held in High Coryani … in Coryan. Not sure what Sabinius or the Milandric branch of the church do. Services probably held in Ancient Altherian or Milandesian.
Again. My best guesses on the topic.
August 23, 2015 at 11:06 pm #269440AnonymousInactiveIn HP 1-10 a NPC describes that when Hania was separated by the wall, no-one knew the rituals of Beltine or Neroth. It was not until a copy of the scriptures were found that the deal could be laid to rest.
While this relates to Khitani not the Mother Church, it does suggests that the holy texts were not commonly distributed.
August 25, 2015 at 9:28 pm #269455AnonymousInactive21) Are the events (if not the details) of the Nyambe adventures still canon? To clarify, did a bunch of adventurers travel through a special gate to another continent/world and find something there of note (details can be left for a new mod to reveal)?
August 25, 2015 at 9:31 pm #269456drafitParticipant21) Nymabe’ question
I can easily answer this one. Due to copyright, we are no longer able to use or reference Nyambe’. Thus the events that occurred there are no longer canon, which is a shame as I rather liked it.
I’ll have to get around to rewriting it someday.
August 25, 2015 at 10:04 pm #269458AnonymousInactiveIt is indeed a shame, and I look forward to a recanonization of the basic plotline at a later date!
August 25, 2015 at 10:22 pm #269459AnonymousInactive21) [Nyambe adventures question] To clarify, did a bunch of adventurers travel through a special gate to another continent/world and find something there of note (details can be left for a new mod to reveal)?
I’ve wondered whether the foreign continent found in that world was another continent on the world of Arcanis or on another world. The moons and especially the stars should have very easily answered that question to PCs, but I don’t know whether we ever got an explicit answer as players.Even if the specifics of Nyambe have to change for copyright reasons, the big story concepts presented about the val’Abebi in “Secret of Semar” winds up raising more questions than it answers. That was also a classic Arcanis mod insofar as doing the “obviously right” thing was actually probably the wrong thing in the big picture. Actions have consequences, and Arcanis is for smart players who look beyond the surface.
Nyambe Adventures was a really nice setting and book, and I admire PCI and the other 3rd party gaming companies with whom they partnered in d20 days. Replacing that continent with another African-style continent is simple enough on a big scale, though the book had so much richness and depth that it will be hard to replace the level of detail.
August 31, 2015 at 9:17 pm #269554AnonymousInactive22) There were references to “Orc” nations both in Uggur and among those who (according to the Altherians) lead the siege of Khafre’ prior to it floating to the Altherian Plateau. Were these ‘orc’ armies Gar, are they now humans, or something else entirely (to be revealed at a later date)? At least in the case of Uggur, I think there are a few Kio players who may be interested in knowing.
August 31, 2015 at 10:36 pm #269555AnonymousInactive22) There were references to “Orc” nations both in Uggur and among those who (according to the Altherians) lead the siege of Khafre’ prior to it floating to the Altherian Plateau. Were these ‘orc’ armies Gar, are they now humans, or something else entirely (to be revealed at a later date)? At least in the case of Uggur, I think there are a few Kio players who may be interested in knowing.
I vaguely recall something on the old Yahoo forums regarding the Gar originally being Orcs (in the 3rd Ed D&D days), but I can’t source the information.I pulled out my Codex Arcanis and quickly scanned it. There are references to the Ssethregoran empire using multiple ‘goblinoid’ races as slaves in their underground holdings prior to the creation of the Elorii, and how the “various goblinoid races” drove the Ymandragorans from Yahssremore to the Kraldjur Morass. It doesn’t specifically use the name ‘Gar’ anywhere that I’ve seen though, and there isn’t really any information on the wars of extinction in the Codex Arcanis.
The race portion of the Codex dealing with Half-Orcs does not address your question either, unfortunately.
EDIT: For some reason I didn’t think to look at the Altheria portion of the Codex. It describes the orcs as being the Followers of the Bone Serpent.
Seeing as the Gar were wiped out (for all intents and purposes) by the Elorii prior to the fall of Yahssremore and that humans arrived significantly later on Onara, the orcs referenced here would have had to have been a separate race. What that race would now be, however, is an interesting question.
August 31, 2015 at 11:08 pm #269556AnonymousInactiveA few corrections: the Ymandragorans were not driven from Yahssremore, the Ssethregorans were. The Gar that were conquered by the Ssethrics during the Issori War and enslaved we’re the Gar Ormal (“people of the plains”) tribe, not the Gar as a race. Other tribes are known to exist (See Bestiary vol. 1), and it is possible not all of them were enslaved by the Ssethrics.
I cannot find any reference to any real conflict between Gar/Orcs and Elorii, with a known alliance existing between Uggur and Seremas. There was also an alliance with the goblinoids during the Elorii Revolt, which may or may not have been Gar in the present non-3.5 OGL parlance.
There is one known tribe of Gar who (at least used to) live on the ruins of the Vault of Larissas Lament. However, despite some very. . . Inexplicable diplomacy by BEAST, a large number of the tribe was killed by the adventurers in that event.
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