List of Valinor

IIRC Skiz was the The Fertility of Saluwe`.

IIRC Skiz was the The Fertility of Saluwe`.

The Fertility of Saluwe’ was involved in the Dragon Wat.

Altheris, Anshar, & Yarris have no listed Valinor. Anywhere. We know why with Anshar (Yig!) We don’t know why with the other two. I find it suggestive that all three are described as brothers or sister to the prime progenitor “nuclear families” of the Pantheon of Man. Illiir+Saluwe (and kids) & Neroth+Beltine (Plus kid/s). I think its like the Pantheon found a slot for them.

“Hey its funny old uncle Yarris who some (mummblemummble::maybe shouldn’t be saying this::mumble) say is older than Mom & Dad!” -Hurrian, Larissa or Nier.

I think “Deep Ones” are an unlikely source of the val’Ossan. For one D.O. tend to breed true…yuck. But also they don’t have psionics or a celestial background. Also the val’Ossan don’t “change” as they get older. If we know OOC that Anshar can make the val’Inares (and/or other families lost to the Blood War) all on her own I think we can assume that Yarris and other deities can too.

Altheris really I wonder about. On the one hand he seems comparatively “normal.” But on the other hand, (sorry Erdukken!) none of the other Deities seems to have such a connection to a chosen people. That shouts outsider pretty loudly to me. Although I used to think Altheris might have Valinor that would eventually “show up,” since I started playing Tukufu and think more about Altheria, the less likely I think this is. The origin of the val Abebi and ul’Wei is potentially an interesting mystery. Is there a connection between the old d20 mod that had an origin story and the fact that the ul’Wei cover themselves as fully as Nerothians? I am suspicious. Its also possible that like Anshar, Altheris directly had a hand in the creation of the val lines. ALtheris also has references to a number of spirits that serve him which could be alternative celestial beings.

That leaves Sarish to talk about. Sarish is always the weird one. I think Mish, the Shadow of Sarish, was a Valinor. (Progenitor of the val’Baucisz family). If you think that, then the question is open and shut. If not, then you have to explain an alternative origin. That said, we all know “Sarish is weird.” He doesn’t have divine priests. He is alternatively described as having either Cadic & Larissa as parents or Neroth & Beltine. (Or as a heretical thought Larissa by way of Neroth. Or somehow all four). Weird. So if Sarish ended up being different then that wouldn’t totally blow my mind. Loshnek is usually described as the Cunning of Sarish and as a fallen Valinor. I got to listen to Henry at Origins of 2017 talking about his power level vis-a-via other Valinor. Although it is never spelled out which God he may have originally worked for (that is to say he may not have started off as Sarish’s right hand man) I think its as likely as not that has always been in service to Sarish, which is why he is apparently trusted so much.

There are no truly confirmed Valinor of Sarish. Losknek serves Sarish, yes, but we don’t know whether he’s a Valinor or something else.

Bowing slightly and through clenched teeth, Menesis addresses the Valinor.

Page 17 of LA-HP6-06 The Battle of Grand Coryan & Last Rays of a Dying Sun.

This to me is is proof of the Cunning of Sarish’s Valinor status. Just because he doesn’t show his wings, doesn’t mean he’s something different.
Note this is description text, not something that was said by a NPC who doesn’t know better.
To me description text can be taken factually where speech from a person can be subjective.

Given the stories of how fallen Valinor joined Sarish after the Godswar, it still fits that maybe he wasn’t originally attached to Sarish but to another God.

I would say the proof is in his name. The Cunning of Sarish. If you wanted a Valinor who is fallen and joined Sarish after, you don’t need to look an further than Urumeh from Year 1. He still retains his name the Honor of Cadic. The fact he serves Sarish now, doesn’t change his name.
Manetas The Pride of Illiir was fallen, Xabal The Patience of Illiir was fallen. Both didn’t serve Sarish, and both retained their name. Not exactly the same situation but evidence that a name doesn’t change when a Valinor’s status does change.

Not to nit pick, but you are saying that the only first hand evidence we have is invalid. When we are given evidence, we can’t just say “This is not evidence this is a lie being told to misdirect us.”

You are correct Arcanis does teach us to keep unexpected and in obvious options open. The story has had many twists already. And there has been lies to misdirect us, I’m looking at the Vals breed true rule. But we still have to follow the evidence until it shows us something different. And I don’t see any evidence to believe that Losknek is NOT a Valinor of Sarish. Can you provide any?

I rediscovered this thread and had a thought – Could Sarish have adopted/co-opted the Valinor of Lianni?

LOL. Who is this Lianni you speak of. Never heard of her!

Why Sarish and not Larissa or Saluwe?

Because Sarish is noted as having poached Valinor, and Cunning seems a good fit for Lianni.