Martial Techniques

My only input is that there should be the following at each tier to support specific builds needing to choose a technique each tier:

Here are some needs as I see it.
1) TWF Attack
– Spinning Strikes, Trap and Cut, Double Stab. Need Tier 4 and 5
2) Movement Based
– Lunge, Disengaging Strike, Passing Strike, Flowing Sand. Need Tier 3 and 4
3) Multi-Attack
– Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind, Flowing Sand, and Trail of Bodies. Need Tier 2
4) Powerful Attacks
– Mighty Swing (Trick), Reckless Swings, Vital Strike, Devastating Blow, Strike without Thought. need Tier 1 maybe?
5) Charging
– Lunge, Pressing Attack, Guarded Charge, Overpower. Need Tier 3 and 5
6) Status Effects
– Distracting Blow, Force the Opening, Blinding Strike. Need Tier 4 and 5
7) Ranged
– Precise Aim, Careful Aim, Splitting Hairs, Snap Shot, Shattering Shot, Deadeye Shot, Moment of Prescience

Seems we have a lot of different paths, but need a few talents to fill in gaps.

John

i like johns approach id probably mix things up a bit differntly myself but its a good approach (and good point)

as a different point, People pick something to be good at, Delbert is good at shield attacking (and not TWF) there isnt anything in tier two that improves on what I do.

pedro…. um dude, I’m actually quite proud of Delbert’s build, I’m taking things that make him better at being delbert, not because they have some arbitrary power bump.

some of the maneuvers are decent and get better as you advance and can combine them with other things, but long term dont do much of anything for me, for example “between the seams” oh add a passive insight die to damage… i can combine that with mighty swing and blah blah blah be awesome … or i can wait and combine mighty swing with devestating blow and be more delbert…..

I think that while whirlwind is good, its not a must have thing, the most useful thing it is for is for minions and thats not the role of most martial characters.

We *could* debate the relative value of each individual technique, Or you can ask a question out to the general population and see what they think about martial techniques… I would suggest a “whats your favorite martial rechniques from each tier” kinda question

i like johns approach id probably mix things up a bit differntly myself but its a good approach (and good point)

as a different point, People pick something to be good at, Delbert is good at shield attacking (and not TWF) there isnt anything in tier two that improves on what I do.

Ummm with 1.5 Shields are getting hit with the Nerf Bat….

They will be slower across the board (+1 speed) and all the tricks are getting tweaked..

Also, the better tricks will be moved up in Tier with new tricks created for lower tiers.

They are way too good right now..

pedro…. um dude, I’m actually quite proud of Delbert’s build, I’m taking things that make him better at being delbert, not because they have some arbitrary power bump.

some of the maneuvers are decent and get better as you advance and can combine them with other things, but long term dont do much of anything for me, for example “between the seams” oh add a passive insight die to damage… i can combine that with mighty swing and blah blah blah be awesome … or i can wait and combine mighty swing with devestating blow and be more delbert…..

Fair enough, but it’s not like you lack ANY choices at those tears…

Dude Shields Tricks are waaaaayyyy too good right now..

be honest with me, they are.

my plan was
1) Condense all the proficiency issues with shields to one talent “Shield Training” right counts as weapon and armor training with the shield.

2) all shields have their speed increased by 1, the are not designed to be primary weapons (though we can always create a shield type designed for such a purpose)

3) as far as “tweak tricks” it’s more like “make them all work the same” where as they all state you lose your defensive bonus from the shield until recovery is done. You can only knock a target of equal of lesser size down, stuff like that.

4) I wanted to add a “quick sling” weapon trick (see Brad Pitt when he charged the beach in Troy)

5) Clarify how runes work with shields and give them there own quality modifications.

6) remind people that when someone uses shield defense, all attacks hit the shield..causing damage to the shield

7) bring shields into their own table (away from weapons and armor) to have all the info in one place.

Henry that’s a great plan I was planning on doing something like that informally.

also as a side note, while i have been vocal and contentious on the harvester boards, I plan on toeing the line and supporting all of the decisions that were decided on in here when I do post. and trying to have moderating opinions when discussing new things.

that being said, my sadness was directed at pedro’s 1.5 comment, thankfully that discussion is in the future.

Im good with not discussing for a while to give others a chance. We’d had a lot of time to hammer in things in here.

John