Push – Technical question

#3 is how I’ve always run it and always seen it run.

#3 is closest, but it can get really complicated to explain when Strain and Recovery get added it.

eg.
1. Cast a spell (Spd:1, Strain 5)
2. Mighty Swing (spd: 5, Recovery 2); strain starts reducing
4. hit by PUSH 2 (strain continues to reduce as previously acted)
6. Strain gone
7. Push 2 starts to count (note that prior to this point, a larger Push could also have been applied from another attack/source; and potentially still can until the Push is finished)
9. Push gone; can now act (cast another spell); Recovery starts to reduce.
11. Recovery gone.

As you can see, the timing of a Push can also be optimized by inflicting it after the target casts a spell or uses a manoeuvre. If they use a basic attack (to tick down strain/recovery), it can be worth using a basic attack yourself and saving the Push attack to ruin their combinations.

It is also why Quickdraw and Rapid Shot can be so useful. Being able to combine actions can minimize these negative effects. On some occasions is can be worth *not* using these talents to get the strain/recovery triggered and counting down.

Push
Certain actions can force a delay in a character’s actions.
This delay is known as a Push; simply advance the subject’s Clock by a number of Ticks equal to the duration of the Push. A character can only be subject to one Push effect at a time, though the longest such period will always apply.

Recovery
Martial Combat Maneuvers often have a Recovery rating. Recovery is a duration of Ticks in which the character may not make a Combat Maneuver. Once the Master Clock matches the character’s Clock, each Tick that passes reduces that character’s Recovery by 1.

Strain
Once the Master Clock matches the character’s Clock, each Tick that passes without the character casting a spell reduces that character’s Strain by 1.

PC clock and Master Clock are tested separately. Once they match, nothing can stop Recovery/Strain from draining away, regardless of Push (or even being Vanquished afterwards!)

I guess I’ve been doing it wrong. I’ll have to check with everyone else I play with how they do it.

Using the OP I’ve been doing #1.
After the 2 tick Push I’m back to the 5 ticks normal with no Push. I figured that was right because I have the ability to Push myself (Counter Spell talent and Arcane Shield spell)
If #3 is correct then I can’t use those abilities until all 7 ticks have been completed.

Cody is correct. Push pushes everything. (you are considered under Push until your next Tick on the clock). If you had it otherwise, if you suffered “Push 2” and adjust your clock, thern those 2 Ticks expire, you could again suffer Push (effectively keeping you locked out of a combat).

Hello Dave,

If Matt has the PCI standing to say, “This Is SO!”, I am totally cool with that. But as far as I know, for a rules interpretation question, I need Pedro or Henry to stamp it.

Matt does have the say so and is the current rules “guru” at this time.

So, inasfar as Rules go, Matt speaks with PCI backing and approval.

Thank you.

Cody is correct. Push pushes everything. (you are considered under Push until your next Tick on the clock). If you had it otherwise, if you suffered “Push 2” and adjust your clock, then those 2 Ticks expire, you could again suffer Push (effectively keeping you locked out of a combat).

Got it. And we spent some time talking about it, so let’s see if I can repeat it back with different words but still correctly.

When you get pushed, EVERYTHING on your clock gets delayed by the amount of the push. This includes the time until your next action, the time when any strain or recovery from the last action starts resolving, AND the number of ticks it takes for any strain or recovery to resolve, even if it is from actions that have cleared on your clock. You are considered to be under a push (for the purposes of getting pushed again or when you can once again voluntarily push yourself) until the next tick you can act.

Have I got that right?