Rebuke

Rebuke only effect targets during the moment of casting. Moving doesn’t grant you new targets or remove old targets.

Devin, can you defend that position of “Rebuke only effect targets during the moment of casting”

I would contend that “affected entity”, plus the Range of 10′ with no specified targets indicated that any creature w/in 10′ of the caster not just the creatures that were in 10′ of the caster at the initial casting.

to answer the OP’s question, an attempt to push through does not have a listed time, so I have been combining it with other actions (such as movement) making it part of a normal movement action (not an incidental movement action, cause you have to be taking another action to combine incendental movement… a different argument ) taking 4 ticks typically. and thematically if its the right thing for those creatures to do they could try it every time their action comes up, because its not a save, its pushing through.

I also agree. You are making a force field which is why it is Duration: Sustained, not Duration: Instant. You push creatures out, but then creatures can attempt to force their way in after that with a successful roll.

Hrm, I don’t agree I read “All creatures affected by the spell’s initial casting must move to the edge of the effect.” as a complete sentence that indicates something that happens when the spell is cast and not something that affects the targets of the ongoing spell.

when maintaining Rebuke, I can incidental movement. Yes.

If I incidental move into new Undead do I roll another attack roll, or if new mindless undead try and attack me, do I make a new attack role vs their discipline made as they attempt to enter my area.No and no.

If I fail on my first roll to beat their discipline, after 3 ticks of maintaining the spell will I get another attack roll to try and beat their discipline.If you fail to hit those in the initial casting they are immune until your next casting, not sustaining.

Even though Zombies have a mindless attribute the do have a relentless hunger, would that allow them make a mettle test vs the ward to enter it and take a bite of delicious human. Yes.

If undead have a companion of the rebuke holder grappled will they drag the companion with them out of the rebuke area Up to the GM. Depends on if they can move the opponent that far and escape the radius in the same action.

Since this is a clock based system, the undead if affected would have to take their next action to leave the area spending the incidental movement to do so,?Yes.

After they leave the area, if they have the supper desire, can make the check to return to the rebuke area (ie a moment to rebuild their desire), or can they make the mettle check once their turn comes before leaving the area.Probably on their next action.

Alas, Josh, he has a point. After all, the rules for Sustained Spells only count if the spell itself does not specifically give rules as to its use which supersede the basic rules.

All creatures affected by the spell’s initial casting must
move to the edge of the effect. For as long as the spell is active,
the affected creatures will not enter the spell’s radius.
Sustained Effect: Creatures affected must remain outside of
the spell’s area.
Pushing Through: Normally, an effected entity will do all it
can to stay away from the offending priest, but sometimes
blood lust, rage, or pure hatred will allow it to overcome its
fear. To attack, the Undead must succeed in a Mettle: Perseverance
(Re) Action Skill Roll against the caster’s Passive
Arcanum Value.

Okay, re-reading this effect and it does look like Devin has a point here:

1) Only those within a 10′ Radius of the initial casting are affected by the spell. Those who are affected are pushed to the edge and cannot enter (even to attack).

2) All creatures outside of the 10′ radius are completely unaffected, and can enter the ‘bubble’ as they please.

3) Those creatures that are affected can reenter the ‘bubble’ by making a Mettle: Perseverence (Re) roll against the caster.

4) If the creatures FAIL their roll, they can continue to try to enter on subsequent turns.

As such, this ability is FAR more weak than I previously thought it was. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing (I’d rather a spell end up being LESS powerful than MORE powerful), but it means I’ll have to rethink how to use this spell.

And I’m like Josh in that the speed of trying to break through is the speed of the action they were trying to do when they attempted to break through. If they were doing a basic movement, it is 4 ticks. If they have reach and are trying to attack, it is the speed of the attack.

Devin, the rules you are looking for are part of the description for sustained spell (pg 346)

If the Sustained spell affects an area (such as a radius, cone, or arc) you must roll attack rolls each time someone enters the area

I think thissspell is an exception to the rule with the use of the word initial.