Say Hello to my little friend….

I’d prefer seeing it changed from Helpless to Pined as per grapple, but if the Heroes can do it I 100% agree enemies should too.

Tier 4 … I think somewhere I compared other similar spells and and came up with Bury as something close in effect to the adapted solidify, and Yeah that is a T4 spell, and still not as good.

Helpless is pretty rediculous for a condition I’m still pushing to seperate that auto kill cheese out of it and into a coup de grace maneuver.

I was under the impression that auto kill spells were not supposed to be in this game?

Adaptation: Increase the CTN by 6 to attempt to solidify
the water within a living being. The spells type changes to
Sustained with a Speed of 4(+6)/3, which attacks the Target’s
Discipline. If successful, the Target pace is reduced by half. Any action the target takes once affected is subject to an additional 3 speed modifier. Upon successfully sustaining the effect the Target is held Helpless. Any damage dealt to the Target automatically ends the spell.

That helps a little bit but, to me, does not fix the problem. Something needs to be changed about the spell causing Helpless or Helpless allowing insta-“kill”. The best solution I’ve seen was SamhainIA’s idea to create a separate lengthy coup-de-grace maneuver. The other solution I can think of is to alter the spell slightly so that the target is Helpless in all ways except if attacked is not considered Helpless (and any damage still breaks the spell).

I also have another view on this spell which recently came to light… Early on in tier two i considered the spell grossly over powered. However in later tier two events when facing tier 3 opponents i have noticed their damage output is quite high and i tend to get hit for 30 to 40+ points of Sta damage in a single hit… with 66 Sta i might as well be helpless if two guys target me i can be dropped in a single round especially if i roll poorly in initiative.

I have also noticed my companions in melee doing similar damage which has led me to the conclusion that this spell isn’t that out of scope for a tier 3 spell as it is written. Sta don’t go up very fast in this system while damage seems to creep up faster… higher tier’s i think are going to be quite more deadly.

As I mentioned above, I personally think the easiest ‘fix’ for this is to change ‘Helpless’ to ‘Pinned’ or ‘Grappled.’ This is functionally the same effect, only the target cannot attack or reverse, only escape. The attacker can Punish at range, which still means it is a highly effective spell without it being an instant game-over.

i have noticed their damage output is quite high and i tend to get hit for 30 to 40+ points of Sta damage in a single hit…

I have also noticed my companions in melee doing similar damage

This is the part I dont get. I must truly suck at character building, because with my raging Agamassi wielding a fine weapon, i do 13 on average (18 once I get Mighty Swing). While judging, people are often throwing these numbers at me and it baffles my baby little mind. (oh…and they seem too be doing it every 4-6 ticks). When stat writing, if I write in a Speed 7 weapon on a Gargantuan creature with Powerful Attack and Mighty Swing….that would do 2d8(Might)+11 (assuming Fine weapon). With a 2d10 Might, that gives 31 damage on Average…as a Speed 8 attack. And yet, Bob the Nierite with a greatsword tells me he is getting 30-40 with a d10 weapon and (at most) a d12 Might.

The highest dpt I’ve seen was a huge gnome at ArcaniCon who was attacking unarmed for (iirc) 2d6(attrib)+d8+d4+8 every 3 ticks plus poison damage. I have no idea how he got the +8. I know he did have a magic item, talents, and spells/abilities (iron armbands or something like that and a spell/ability that gave him poisoned thorns on his body and I’m not sure what else).

The best I’ve been able to figure out for Ss’kethis is 2d12+d10+7 every (other) 8 ticks (Mighty Swing/Vital Strike, exceptional Tralian Hammer) plus Smite once per scene but that requires tier 3 for the second d12.