starting languages?

When you take your race, many of them get “X, plus your native language”. These are listed as either “Automatic” or “Bonus” languages, which means they do not count towards your limit. As such, if you are playing a Coryani Val with P. Lo of 3, you get 5 languages.

A: Pg 93 Step 4 … “Lastly, your race will provide your Hero with Known Languages.”

B: Pg 122 Nation and region Table has a listing of Languages for each region.

C: Pg 155 “In addition, at Hero creation, each Hero learns a number of Languages equal to their Passive Logic Value, one of which must be your national language.”

As much as I rmember thats the rule parts for languages.

Ok there are multiple reads on this Let me try to ennumerate them step by step:

Step A
You pick your Race first so those languages are granted for free.
ALTERNATIVELY
You might intrepet them as having to be bought

Step B
When you pick your nation and Region, you might intrepet them as bonus languages Most people dont when looking at the larger scope of rules.

Step C
Then you get your Passive logic in languages.
Here is the big debate:
one way to read the rule is that you have to spend your first point from this on a language that matches your national list, EVEN if you already have those languages.

the other way to read that rule is:
You have to spend your first point on a language on your national list, IF you have all the languages on your national list, you can spend that point on any other language.

B: Pg 122 Nation and region Table has a listing of Languages for each region.

B National lists dont grant any languages

One thing you left out is this line under the table:

Also, choose 1 of the Native languages as appropriate.

This means that your Race grants you a bonus language, and your Nation grants you a bonus language (Which may or may not be the same as your race).

It is due to these, that I would always interpret the Passive Logic to be “If you don’t already have your National Languages, you must spend 1 point on that.” (Basically your “C” Interpretation)

John

My view on “nations” with multiple national languages: You get ONE. For example, in the Hinterlands you do NOT get Erdukeen, Yhing Hir, and Low Coryani. If you are of the Yhing Hir tribes, you get Yhing Hir. If you are from Censure, you get Low Coryani. If you are from Erduk, you get Erdukeen.

As part of the Nation Language choice? That makes perfect sense, since it says “Choose 1 as appropriate”. If you want to learn one of the others with your Passive Logic though, that is allowed.

John

Unless Native Nation is given freely by race.

They are in different steps of character generation; therefore, if the intent is that if the 1 point of Passive Logic is used to take the language you get at the Nation step, it needs to have errata.

John
Agreed.

Also, the talk of having to take all my nation’s languages first sounds like more diverse nations are actually a penalty. And for some characters it wouldn’t make any sense to pick up ss’ressen just because I’m from Milandir.

you do realize that the passive logic bit isnt in any of the character creation steps, its detailed in the linguistics skill

Which is part of either Skills or another step.

John