Umor

…snip… the VO didn’t seem to be a big issue (to the Celestial Giants). Since the VO seem to be a big issue on Onara, I am inferring that something is happening to keep an even bigger issue from happening. These easily all be wrong inferences.

Yes. Uromah, the Fallen Honor of Cadic was last seen fighting off entropic monsters that were “erasing” the world of the Fihali. I’m pretty sure those are the “bigger issue” that needs to be held off. I believe their proper name is “Soldiers of Oblivion.” Part of the PoM’s game plan has to be keeping them from Arcanis.

I hadn’t thought of this before but I think one of the stronger arguments against Umor being connected to the Silence is that he doesn’t appear to have VO or other creepy crawlies among his followers and servants. Neither the human nor the elorii accounts mention anything remotely like them.

My understanding is that the Celestial Giants moved between the worlds using world gates, staying ahead of the dying of worlds. There is a mention to their “ancient enemy” at one point. Something I thought might mean entropy. The idea being that they, like Menatas, just don’t stick around when a world starts to fall to entropy, they just flee off to another world.
I had originally assumed that the reference to the Giants’ “ancient enemy” meant the Dragons. Perhaps it is a reference to Entropy.

(aside: could there be a connection between dragons and entropy?)

Another interesting note for the previous post: Take a look at the adventure “Wrong Turn at Coryan”. Apparently the Ssethric rune for Kassagore could possibly be mis-interpreted as the Elorii Rune for Keleos. Not sure how relevant or canon it is (let’s face it, if Henry didn’t write the mod there is a chance that what is in the adventure isn’t QUITE correct), but it is an interesting piece of information

Kassegore has the vision of the future. The enemy of his people being the VO, who the Ssethrics fought since finding the Lavender Way. Yig and him decide to bring the PoM here to ensure that the human allies come to Arcanis. They leave together. Kassegore talks with the PoM. Yig is hidden and she kills the gentlest of the PoM, so she can appear as one of the PoM later. I always found it odd she could create Vals like the Valinor could.
Kassegore gets blamed (as per plan) and runs back home with Yig.

Yes, but in his vision, “He watched as the Dark One made pacts with the enemies of his creations and the breaking of the world.” So if he was Umor (the dark one?) than how did he fulfill this? If the prophecy means the dark one worked with the Silence than that would make Kassegore a traitor. If it means he worked with the Elorii, by working with Belesarda, than I could see how this could have been fulfilled. Additionally, there is the “breaking of the world” to be addressed. The only thing that I can think of that may meet that criteria is the Valossa who summoned “The unspeakable one” and smashed a large portion of the known lands. It would make sense if the “Unspeakable one” was Kassegore since he was summoned by Ssethrics.

But that all hinges on Kassegore being able to fool Belisarda (especially) and the Elemental lords (a little) about who he is, and since the his people summoned (the lords) and found (Belisarda) while Kassegore and Yig were very active/close to their people, it seems like Belisarda should have been able to recognize Kassegore.

The final battles begins, Umor is cut in half Cadic traps one half inside the back moon, and “a green goddess” Yig, places the other half in a chasm.

And everything is exactly as it should be.

Hmmm, considering that Umor was hanging with Belisarda, the goddess of life and plants, right before his imprisonment, I’m much more inclined to guess the “green goddess” was Belisarda, rather than Yig.

Who are the humans that came with Umor, how about Yissera? Or what about real humans that loyally followed Kassegore back from wherever the PoM actually come from.

It is possible that the Umor humans are humans who followed a deceptive Kassegore. The big problem I have is the moon destruction killing everything and bringing the final silence. the Prophecy didn’t show an attack on the moon, it just showed it shatters on it’s own and rain’s down on the world with a blue-white, crackling wave that destroys everything. I have a hard time seeing that being the release of a benign being, or an attack on his prison. Additionally, everything we’ve seen about the black moon ties it to the silence. It’s appearance over the citadel at the defeat of the sword of the heavens, the ritual you can almost see during the attack on the citadel, the epilogue of the Codex Arcanis, all point to a darker inclination to the moon than as a prison of a benign being.

I believe a big theme in Arcanis is the importance of putting aside differences that exist among every race and working together for the greater good. I have always felt that is what the big final show downs are all about. Every race brings something valuable to the table. And working as a team we can conquer any epic threat like Manetas, or Uhxbractit.

I agree with this. It’s a strong point to the idea of your theory that it has all the gods working together (unknowingly). The problem is, I really don’t think Gods should be easily fooled, even by other gods. I don’t think Illiir was fooled by Yig, but made a decision to cooperate. But this idea entirely depends on Kassegore fooling everyone, including his people’s biggest current enemy (Belisarda) about who he is, and getting her cooperation in his plans. I find that hard to go with, because it means Belisarda is entirely a patsy in the process – and to some degree the PoM has to be in on it all, since we believe that Belisarda may be the current incarnation of the goddess the PoM let live from the earlier race they destroyed using time travel.

I always found it odd she could create Vals like the Valinor could.

I don’t believe she can. She created a Val race because she can created new life. She didn’t necessarily empower a human like a Valinor did, she created a human-like being that can interbreed like a val.

1) The world of THAT future is cleared of almost all threats to the Voiceless Ones, brought about by hubris against Manetas. The Valinor killed any threats to his rule, but in doing so also killed the allies he would need against the inevitable leading to his failure and the failure of his master, Illiir.

Since we killed (at least to our knowledge) Manetas at the end of the last campaign, the future has changed in some ways. Whether a replacement for Manetas’ hubris arises to rule (possibly the Destroyer), events will hopefully lead to a different outcome against the Silence.

As if he will ever get out

Regarding “To Pierce the Veil of Darkness and Light”:
Since we killed (at least to our knowledge) Manetas at the end of the last campaign, the future has changed in some ways. Whether a replacement for Manetas’ hubris arises to rule (possibly the Destroyer), events will hopefully lead to a different outcome against the Silence.
In that eye-popping time-travel adventure, the Heroes of Light learned that “the God-Emperor” ruled the Coryani Empire a few millennia in the future. The heroes’ main ally was prevented by powerful magic from uttering the name of the God-Emperor, but most heroes assumed it was Manetas and/or the latest thrall he had put onto the Alabaster Throne. However, the name was never actually revealed….

At least one contemporary (1070s IC) prophecy mentions a “God-Emperor” in a manner thought to relate to the Coming of the Destroyer….

I’ve envisioned a contemporary adventure in which the heroes start by traveling into an Ansharan Portal (or possibly a World Gate) and something goes awry, leaving them coming out of a strange powerful gate in the Chapel of Anshar in the Temple of the Pantheon. Dead bodies lie strewn about them in the chapel, and an odd little animated wooden marionette greets them with a shock. After a few seconds of confusion by everyone, imperial guards dressed in Illiirite garb arrive as if they were expecting someone, and the marionette indicates a need to get out ASAP. A battle escaping the imperial palace leads to hiding underground in Grand Coryan, where the marionette reveals that the heroes have traveled to what they perceive as their future. In this bleak future, the only races left alive are humans and val’Assante; and the hive-mounds of the Voiceless Ones are spreading across the dying face of Arcanis while the shattered black moon Aperio looks down from above. The marionette asks the heroes what happened in the last century of their history, and then he sighs, explaining that the trapping of Manetas prevented one potential incarnation of the God-Emperor from coming to pass. He cannot reveal the name of the God-Emperor, but the heroes need to return to their own time to stop this future from coming to be by stopping the replacement incarnation of the God-Emperor before he rises too far to stop. The “easy” way of sending them back has already been used and will be too heavily guarded to be worth a repeat attempt, but there is another way…. After the heroes learn enough to alter the time stream and overcome obstacles to reach and travel through a time-gate back in time, the marionette’s assistant asks him whether they will now cease to exist or there will be multiple alternate futures; but the marionette tells him that the question is irrelevant since before this timeline can be prevented, a third and final potential God-Emperor must also be stopped in the past….

Whether a replacement for Manetas’ hubris arises to rule (possibly the Destroyer), events will hopefully lead to a different outcome […]
If Manetas were to be replaced (or released), one logical candidate could be someone who was incredibly strong in the blood of Manetas and who was conceived while his father was under the sway of the Pride of Illiir. Someone who already demonstrated strong hubris and a lack of morals. Someone also set on revenge for perceived slights. Someone who fits one or more recent prophecies. The mere name of such a person could make an Emperor tremble.