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    Anonymous
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    In respect to the Gentlest, her name is lost to history and (as far as we know ) and there are no clerics or priest to her, suggesting she is unable to grant divine blessings (as she is consumed)

    This follows with the Elorii gods. They have been consumed and so are unable to grant their favor to their followers and that power comes from Belesarda.

    Define divine blessing. If you are referring to ‘granting spells’, then I am sorry but your thinking is still in D&D. Henry has stated that while Theurgy spells are empowered by faith, they are not granted directly from the gods. They seem to be kind of ‘spell modules’: premade spells which are empowered by a person’s faith as opposed to the more free-form types of magic of the Arcane traditions. As such, you could in the modern Arcanis universe have a Priest of Keleos who REALLY believes that he is still alive cast a Theurgy spell of Keleos just as well as a Priest of Larissa could cast a Theurgy spell of Larissa. The problem is that everyone believes Keleos to be absorbed and consumed, meaning having faith in Him is difficult, thereby depowering his spells.
    The old Ssethregore book says that the departure of Kassegore and Yig caused their clerics to be unable to cast any divine spells. I infer from the Blessed Lands history that the continued existence of gods is needed for divine spells to function.

    Based on this and various other sources, I infer that theurgical cants (a.k.a. divine magic) are powered by a combination of (a) a divine being and (b) faith with both components necessary. If some divine source is needed, I wonder whether Valinor can (and do) grant divine magic.

    #269746
    Anonymous
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    I just reread To Peel the Veil of Lightness and Dark. And I realized I made an assumption based on information from the newer module Visions of Lives Past. There is zero mention of whether the dark moon is in the sky while the players are in the future. Sorry about that. I should explain how I came to the conclusion that there was no moon.

    To Peel the Veil of Lightness and Dark states when the players land in the future

    there can be no mistaking the large, dark ring that now surrounds the world. The sky is punctuated by streaks of light that seem to streak across the heavens.

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    And Visions of Lives Past states

    Even the new dark moon, which inexplicably replaced the stellar ring that once surrounded the world just a short time ago, hangs low in the sky

    I made the assumption with the return of the stellar ring in that far future, that the dark moon was no more.
    Because there is no mention either way you shouldn’t assume that the dark moon is still there.
    To me, it is clear that the stellar ring in the far future has replaced the Dark Moon Aperio. Even though it’s never explicitly stated, the implication is there. Moreover, I suspect that the strange “road” the PCs find is made from material of Aperio that slammed into Arcanis and left a long path that weaved over and around natural terrain.

    Aperio is shown exploding in the vision relayed by the Tultipetan Seeress. It’s not 100% explicit that the Dark Moon has exploded in the actual far future, but there are strong hints thereto.

    #269747
    Anonymous
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    Wait, where do we have the vision of a Onara alive without a moon? In the module when they heroes of light time travelled forward, it was to the world of Manetas before the moon blew up, and him desperately trying to find a world to evacuate to before the moon’s destruction destroyed the world.
    My read of “To Peel the Veil…” did not lead me to interpret that Aperio’s destruction also destroyed Arcanis. However, if my interpretation (also mentioned in my prior post above) is wrong, then perhaps Kavaris/toodeep is correct that the explosion of Aperio preceded the black and blue wave of entropy that swept like a wave over the face of Arcanis and left only the Void in its wake.

    #269748
    frootsnax
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    I believe that any attempt at this time to give anyone the title of Dark One (threat foretold by Kassegore that caused him and Yig to put a yet unknown plan into motion) is premature and useless. No god or powerful being that we are aware of is the perfect match.

    Agreed. The Dark One they talk about on page 102 of the old Ssethregore book is mentioned after the “coming of the children of the sun and their heretical Godlings of chaos and unrest.” It goes on in the next sentence that, “[Kassegore]… watched as the Dark One made pacts with the enemies of his creation and the breaking of the world.” First humanity and the PoM, then the Dark One. From this sequence it makes sense that the Dark One is not Umor, since he precedes the arrive of the children of the Sun. Although I concede that this quote comes from an IC point of view…a Ssanu Yigite Priest, who may be biased or mistaken. I assume that the Dark One is a “cosmic actor” but for all we know the Dark One could be a left handed gnome who is destined to put things in motion that reach the cosmic scale…

    All information provided by the Mother Church calls Umor a human god and evil including claiming Umor killed Belisadra, but the story of Umor provided by the Elorii says Umor came peacefully, PoM were the aggressors and Belisarda is not dead because they can feel her. The final piece of info is from For the Lesser Gods. Where Umor is represented by a double loop dragon, and is portrayed as not evil. Knowing that Henry loves to provide biased information as the truth. I am more willing to believe the Elorii and For the Lesser Gods, then common rhetoric spewed but the humans
    I’m about 95% sure this is essentially true. At the same time we aren’t privy to the actual events. I think we’ll find that the elorii version is wrong in at least some ways too. What For the Lesser Gods provides is essentially an oral history passed down by a bunch of esoteric desert hermits. I don’t think it will turn out to be 100% percent accurate either.

    While I really don’t think it’s true (or even likely), it *IS* possible that Belisarda did die or was changed and something else has been colluding with the Ardekene ever since (see 41 in A:RPG for proof the Ardekene have something crazy big that they’re currently hiding). Laerestri and “younglings” from Seremas aren’t in a position to judge or know.

    I agree with the reasoning at that point of the green skinned woman possibly being Anshar. Though I don’t think anything we’ve seen depicts her as greened skinned. It makes me wonder about the skinless lady.
    While Anshar may be depicted as a human God, OOC it is widely know she is not a human god at all. Anshar would never be depicted as having green skin by the common folk or the MC. …snip…

    Never mind the green skin, the key element, I believe is that she (alone) is mounted on a horse. In the First Imperium all the PoM members are associated with an animal (Sarish and Illiir being most famously associated with cats and falcons). It turns out Anshar’s animal is … the horse.

    #269763
    Anonymous
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    Aperio is shown exploding in the vision relayed by the Tultipetan Seeress. It’s not 100% explicit that the Dark Moon has exploded in the actual far future, but there are strong hints thereto.
    My read of “To Peel the Veil…” did not lead me to interpret that Aperio’s destruction also destroyed Arcanis. However, if my interpretation (also mentioned in my prior post above) is wrong, then perhaps Kavaris/toodeep is correct that the explosion of Aperio preceded the black and blue wave of entropy that swept like a wave over the face of Arcanis and left only the Void in its wake.

    I think it is important to remember it is a vision from a Prophetess. While it could be taken literally. It could also be metaphorical. The moon is Umor (being his prison), the blue-white, crackling wave represents a world destroying force, and the Void and silence representing the Silence. Leading to if Umor is destroyed the Silence destroys the world.

    #269812
    Anonymous
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    When all these stories are told from different viewpoints with cross-claims of heresy, and we know that at least some of them (i.e., visions seen by the Tultipetan seeress) were corrupted by the Voiceless Ones, who’s to tell what’s correct?

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