Val Bloodline talent errata

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  • March 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm #260402
    frootsnax
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    I can live with it. Assumed this was the case already.

    March 21, 2014 at 12:05 am #260408
    Anonymous
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    Argument #2… How many people have you heard talk about, “val’Broken”

    Scott

    Hey, I am feeling a little picked on here! \":D\"
    To be fair, the bulk of the “val’Broken” I have seen played (myself included) are nowhere near abusing their bloodlines the way they could.

    March 21, 2014 at 12:16 am #260409
    Anonymous
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    One draft of my Primary would have met the definition at the time (testing the limits of the system; the loopholes have since been closed).

    ie: Psionic ASC V, DSC V + a couple of Eldritch spells on top of Bloodline powers over five tiers of play (some stuff deferred to T2 for access).

    Couldn’t do anything BUT cast spells, and definately val’broken.

    The big problem was literally, I couldn’t do ANYTHING ELSE, which made for a pretty boring character concept.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:36 am #260434
    Anonymous
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    Hmm suggestion.

    What about changing the wording to

    Page: 213 to 229 (Errata)
    All Bloodline Talents: In order to learn a Bloodline power, you must already know a bloodline power one tier lower or a number of bloodline powers equal the Tier of the new Bloodline Powers.

    This way it’s no longer possible to skip from Tier 2 straight to Tier 5, but you can still skip over Tier 3 or Tier 4, which both have a single power.
    In my opinion the Tier 5 power represents the highest level of connection to your God and shouldn’t be cherry picked, but I also hate having to go through powers that don’t mix with my character idea.

    What do you think?

    March 21, 2014 at 3:38 am #260435
    Anonymous
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    Still for turning them into a defacto tiered talents, where you need at least one of a lower tier to qualify.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:40 am #260436
    drafit
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    Hello,

    I believe that you should have to work your way up and earn those higher bloodrank powers.

    If the issue is that there aren’t sufficient powers to choose from at Tier 3 or 4, I think we still have time to address that issue in the future.

    I think it should stay as is, and as it was (in spirit) in the original D20 ruleset.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:40 am #260437
    Anonymous
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    I had thought about that…

    but after a lengthy discussion we decided to go with requiring 1 bloodline power of each tier as you go up..

    I know some of the powers may not fit a character concept, but the way your bloodline develops is the way it develops…

    mush like I will always be 5’2″ even though my personality demands I be 6’1″

    March 21, 2014 at 4:41 am #260446
    Anonymous
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    I think (not 100%) Pedro is saying he’s going back to bloodline of previous tier (only) requirement. Provided at least one more power is added for T3 and T4 before anyone gets there, I can live with this. However, I still prefer the flexibility of the “sum of tiers of bloodlines” method for two reasons:

  • It gives more flexibility (some people seem to regard this as a bad thing even though it is still far more restrictive than the current rules).[/*:m]
  • It is consistent with the LMT errata. I think LMT and bloodlines should work the same to minimize different rules (if LMT goes back to previous tier as well, then we also need more martial techniques for at least some weapon types).[/*:m]
March 21, 2014 at 4:48 am #260449
Anonymous
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Instead of the wad of text…

Errata:
Add the [Tiered] notation to all Bloodline Talents. You must know at least one talent of each tier lower than listed in the Requirements.

March 21, 2014 at 5:00 am #260455
Anonymous
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Instead of the wad of text…

Errata:
Add the [Tiered] notation to all Bloodline Talents. You must know at least one talent of each tier lower than listed in the Requirements.

That doesn’t work. Tiered means the talent itself is tiered (and no val bloodline talents are).

July 6, 2014 at 12:28 am #263724
Anonymous
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Please don’t do this, the system is so restrictive already.
Who cares if people cherry pick level 5 bloodline powers.
If that is the only reason they took that Val’Bloodline, then they have to play for years before they get the benefit of it. Already, a Val can’t take an Arcanum skill and a Combat skill at character creation (unless they use the Adaptable talent as their only non-bloodline talent) and they also do not get a defense bonus. The only reason to be a Val is the bloodline powers (and character concept) Otherwise the human is far better. IMHO \":)\"
Pete Kost

July 6, 2014 at 12:57 am #263725
Anonymous
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Please don’t do this, the system is so restrictive already.
Who cares if people cherry pick level 5 bloodline powers.

From a story perspective it makes far more sense to have to have a minimum blood rank or number of powers before being able to use the most potent ones.

I would like to see a Path for those who wish to invest in their bloodline to be able to do so more fully.

The only reason to be a Val is the bloodline powers (and character concept) Otherwise the human is far better. IMHO \":)\"

In my experience the number of val characters far outnumber the number of human characters in the campaign. That would seem to point to a decided mechanical advantage beyond just RP that vals already get.

If it’s important to get to those higher bloodline powers, then they’re an investment in both concept and build just like any other. It’s a choice, but one that should help define who the character is.

With a sweep of his hat,

Paul

July 6, 2014 at 1:09 am #263726
Anonymous
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Please don’t do this, the system is so restrictive already.
Who cares if people cherry pick level 5 bloodline powers.

Flavour (building to your power)? Consistency (every other tier-like talents require prereqs of a lower level)?

If that is the only reason they took that Val’Bloodline, then they have to play for years before they get the benefit of it.

What you seem to be saying here is that someone should be allowed to take a Tier V power at Tier I, even if they cannot gain access to it until Tier V (as per many other rules in the book). To me, this seems to be a far more infuriating way to play than having to take a minimum of one (usually quite decent) bloodline power/tier.

Already, a Val can’t take an Arcanum skill and a Combat skill at character creation (unless they use the Adaptable talent as their only non-bloodline talent) and they also do not get a defense bonus.

The ONLY race that can boost BOTH an Arcanum and a Combat skill at character creation (from race) is Human. It should also be noted that Vals gain boosts to THREE skills at character creation, while almost every race gets only 2, balancing somewhat the lack of a defence boost. Is it all equal? No, but the Vals get access to a LOT of special, unique talents so even that balances out somewhat more.

As Hat stated, there are more Vals in the campaign presently than I believe every other race combined. As such, I do not think that the majority of the player base agrees that the Vals are underpowered, at least to the extent that they are suboptimal player choices.

July 6, 2014 at 1:21 am #263727
Anonymous
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If the issue is that there aren’t sufficient powers to choose from at Tier 3 or 4, I think we still have time to address that issue in the future.

I for one would love to see more bloodline powers. I’m not sure whether this is something that should be errataed, but one issue I’ve had is this: The T5 bloodline power for the val’Emman/Virdan requires a Ranged attack roll. In playing a Nierite monk of the Incandescent Flame (going back to 3.5 books), the order does not believe in ranged combat. In short, there is no reason in-game for why he would be putting ranks into Ranged combat when the order doesn’t believe in it.

I know that it has been mentioned that blood ranks would become relevant at some point, perhaps this is a place where it could be done? Instead of saying that you need to make a Ranged attack roll, make the attack roll Charisma based, with a bonus equal to Bloodrank x2, x3, etc?

July 6, 2014 at 4:25 am #263736
Anonymous
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I still like the proposed system of requiring numbers of ranks of bloodline abilities (for example, iirc, for my val”Dellenov, I plan on both T1 and both T2 but the T3 makes no sense for my character concept but will be forced to take the T3 to be able to take the T4).

Since that proposal was turned down, I’m hoping they add more bloodline abilities to all val lines so that players will have a choice (lack of choice for T3+ is what I majorly dislike about the new system).

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