Vault of Larissa’s Laments

if thats the case then i would not say it has the pacifist flaw. but give it a name more in line with what tony had intended for it. that would prevent it from getting confused with the orginal flaw. while i know the certs are not out as of yet, if they were i think the wording “pacifist” for the sword would be confusing, seeing as its something completely different then what is in the FiM. i personally think that if the pacifist and envious flaws are gonna be used then they should be used as written with no funky interpretations added to it, thats just my opinion

john i get the feeling that you think that the flaw, as written is a bit much. is that correct?

In a home game, it would be fine since there would probably be an entire adventure or two around getting rid of the curse. However, in a living campaign, where you have no idea when or how you would remove the curse, it would be debilitating as written. Particularly in the way that the weapons were ‘tied’ to the characters.

That said, I like the idea of the cursed items and there were opportunities to figure them out. I don’t think I’ve seen any that cripple a character beyond play (assuming the sword functions as described in the module and not according to the pacifist rules) and could make for some interesting character development.

John

Well I meant debilitating if it didn’t allow any other weapon (which is what was in the mod). We discussed what can be done with 12 ticks, and it included Challenge, healing, buffing, casting spells which aren’t attacks, etc.

John

i guess i should have clarified on the spell thing…my bad.. as we were informed at the con no offensive spells were allowed, so healing and buffing would be ok, but nothing else. however the PC would first have to have access to the spells and if they didn’t then they would have to spend their rank ups to do so. same could be said for the challenge talent, which is not as harsh seeing as it does not have any prereq’s other then using a lvl up to gain if you don’t have it. maybe its just me but seems like it is railroading a PC into taking very specific talents at lvl up, which they may not normally be so inclined to do. think of a purely melee martial character, while challenge may not be so bad getting the spell casting ability would be quite difficult and time consuming to achieve, without a complete rewrite. the same could be said for a ranged martial guy with no ranks in melee and the idea of spell casting or challenge is just a bit far fetched to him. the non buffing/ healing caster would be in for it too, only way they would be able to do any of proposed ideas would be to spend talents to either learn a new spell, gain X number of new buffing/healing spells when they tier up or again do a complete rewrite, of character and spells. so in a way even the options discussed could be debilitating for a min of 13 ticks or require a long term change in character concept (which may not inherently be a bad thing and can lead to some great RP). i don’t really think its fair to a PC to say hey you have to change your concept to cater to this cursed weapon. if you have to do that then the PC is no longer center stage but the item, which should only be a supporting character, is.

to all readers please don’t take from my thoughts that i think that there should be no tryfang or cursed items, i just feel that when you make a fundamental change to something that was not really broken, you actually break it. i’m just an advocate of leaving the flaws for this particular cursed item as they are written in the book. with that if i felt that anything needed to be changed with the flaws, and im not saying it should, it would be with the fact that pacifist does no dmg to living. but again that can be over come by switching out weapons ( which if you use the con version as was initially stated would not be possible), so its not really that big of an issue

on a side note the PC could pull a Matt Flinn and run around all the NPCs for 12 ticks hoping that they will take free strikes against him (only person i have ever seen that can make that tactic work)…hahah

adam

Cursed items: Flavious’ Folly
Tyrfang
Curse bearer
Blood drinker

Legendary items:
Cadican Bow

Unique Items:
Cadican Bow

Anyone got stats for the books?
Stats for the bow?

my understanding was they were all loot-able items

as far as bow goes i was told what it did. it was a legendary shot bow with legendary spell rune, exceptional shadow rune, fine celerity rune and a fine frost rune. i believe it also had a few empty rune slots and had the ability to change into a long bow and i believe had tied benefits other then those from the runes. as far as books. one of the books i believe was full of old cants and the other i believe it was an alchemy book that gave bonuses to that skill and i think something else but i cant recall off the top of my head.

i was led to believe once the legendary version was gotten, what was left in the room was what ever the person you took it left. so there was a chance that it was just a mundane old item

was that if you attempted and took damage or after it was switched out by a person who successfully bypassed all the traps and got the legendary version. because i would think that if a person had to switch out a one and done item that what was left after it was taken would be whatever he switched it out with