Weapon Tricks and Martial Techniques

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It is one maneuver. No stacking issue. It deals both static damage bonuses. Stacking never comes into play, because there is only one source of damage the advanced maneuver Powerful Might Thrust (are whatever you want to name it).

The same as if you combined two damage spells into one Advanced Spell. It deals both halves of the damage (defenses pending) no stacking issue.

The example given on page 256 in the book DOES NOT work the same way that spells combine? Why? I dunno. It would be easier if they did. Here is the text:

Example of an Advanced Maneuver
Mighty Swing + Sweeping Strike
Category: Advanced
Attack: Avoidance (Prowess)
Speed (Recovery): +2 (4)
Range: Melee
Effect: Weapon +5 damage. You may perform an attack against any two opponents within melee reach; each attack must be rolled independently. You may attack an additional opponent within range once you reach +6 with any Melee skill specialization.

I note that the damage is Weapon +5. If it was a an advanced spell it’d be 2x Weapon +5. They issued errata for this example. They correct the spd & rec cost but don’t touch on the damage component.

Page: 256 (Errata)
Under Example of an Advanced Maneuver change the
Maneuver’s speed to Speed (Recover): +1 (5)
Under Category, speed & recovery change the first
paragraph as follows:
Speed & Recovery: Use the slowest maneuver’s Speed cost and apply the faster maneuver’s Speed or Recovery, whichever is higher, as additional Recovery.
add the following sentence to the end of the Effects entry: When creating an advanced martial maneuver that grants multiple attribute dice, only one die may explode. Also you may not combine maneuvers with a Push speed.

I reiterate that as I understand it you only get the best parts of the combined maneuver. Unlike a spell I believe you don’t get “double damage.” Am I the only one who does this this way? Should I be adding extra dice when I hit with a Mighty Sweeping Strike?

@Eric: Hmm… I’ve never seen anyone think they would get weapon (including attribute) x2 for an advanced maneuver. But I guess you are right, it doesn’t say you only apply weapon once, although the example proves that and the errata talks about none+weapon.

My point is the following maneuver would look like this:

Powerful Thrust + Mighty Swing
You wreck your opponent.
Requirements: Athletics 3 and Melee (Balanced) 3
Category: Advanced
Attack: Avoidance (Pr)
Speed (Recovery): +1 (4)
Range: Melee (1 Target)
Effect: Weapon +5 +Passive Might; you must move 5’ toward your target before performing this attack.

You would get the +5 damage and the +Passive Might damage. Although they are both static bonuses to damage Powery Mightful Strike is one maneuver. When you declare you are using them together as an advanced manevuer, it is one source of bonuses.

Vital Strike + Devastating Blow
Requirements: Melee (any) +12
Category: Advanced
Attack: Avoidance (Mi)
Speed (Recovery): +2 (2)
Range: Melee
Effect: Weapon; you deal an additional (Mi) die of damage and you deal an additional weapon damage die, suffering a -4 penalty to your Avoidance until your next action. For examples, if you are using a weapon that deals 1d8 (Mi) on damage, roll 2d8 (Mi) (Mi) instead; or if you are using a weapon that deals 1d6 (Qu) on damage, roll 2d6 (Qu) (Mi) instead.

In this example you gain 2 additional dice to damage. A might die and a weapon die, both are still additional dice, but stack because this is one maneuver and not two.

Powerful Thrust = ‘static’ + ‘combat manoeuvre’
Mighty Swing = ‘static’ + ‘combat manoeuvre’
therefore combining them only gives you the highest bonus of +5.

The secondary effects may still make the combo worthwhile.
I might be wrong, but I am under the assumption that a created advanced maneuver is now ONE maneuver and thus the same source and isn’t a stacking issue. I’m not performing two maneuvers, I’m performing one, with one speed and recovery. Am I wrong?

Also, if an Created Advanced Maneuver is two different sources, why isn’t a Created Advanced Spell? Meaning you would not be able to combine two damage dealing spells?

I agree with deviknyte and SamhainIA as well. An Advanced maneuver is one source when it is performed so bonuses from the 2 Base maneuvers do “stack”.

I’m on the other side with Southernskies. =/ I think they’re two static bonuses and don’t stack. Again I could be wrong (I might even be happy to be wrong…). I just don’t really know. That Advanced Spells and Advanced Maneuvers don’t line up perfectly also adds confusion to me.

Where I’m in doubt I also tend to lean conservative sooo … I would not allow them to stack at a table I judge.

Pedro if you are reading, it’d be nice for you to chime in at some point and offer a clarification and an example of how Mighty Swing and Powerful Thrust would combine.

Kinda. At tier 2 there aren’t a ton of damage maneuvers compared toI other maneuvers that are tactical. The are only 2 melee static damage maneuvers at tier one. Most common combination right now is Sweeping Mighty Swing.

If Ruled that they don’t stack (which will require some faqing ), it won’t effect most until tier 3.

I am inclined to say no stacking as well. 2 static bonuses. I dont believe that it was ever intended to take 2 base Maneuvers to create 1 “source”. That would be 1+1=1.

But, here I go being logical again….can someone please explain to me how, with any weapon you can Might SWING and Powerful THRUST at the same time? I am not talking mechanically, or because “the rules say so”, I mean explain to me what that actually, physically, would look like. If someone did that at a table I was running or playing at, I would probably give the “cheesy move of the day eyeroll of ridiculousness”.