learn martial tech change

I’m not sure of the intent, but a possible alternate solution:
instead of relying on having techniques at every tier, look at the total number of techniques known
EG, to learn a Tier IV trick you must know 4 other martial techniques (or 5 or 6 expressed at Tier +x).. it makes it easy for the martial characters to qualify and prevents the cherry picking that people are worried about and provides so much more flexibility.
Yep, back on track… Reposting this because it got lost in the wash:

I like this, I’m a fan, mostly. I would suggest combining the proposed requirements (yours and Pedro’s).

“In order to take a martial technique of Tier 2+ the character must possess either: at least one technique of 1 tier lower than the new technique OR a number of lower tiered techniques equal to the tier of the new technique.

Example: In order to take Learn Martial Technique to acquire a Tier 4 technique, the character must already know at least 1 Tier 3 technique OR a total of 4 Tier 1 & Tier 2 techniques.”

This offers the greatest flexibility and choices to the characters.

I like this, but I fear it’s too much of a radical departure from the way you learn spells, talents, and bloodline powers (you need the lower tier to get he higher tier)

and yes I may be over thinking it, but it seems to defeat the purpose…

Exacly what john said, except i would argue the number of techniques should be increased

to make martial a little more special , and make the other archtypes work just a bit harder

I like the simple: “In order to learn a Martial Technique [Bloodline] above Tier I, you must know a number of lower Tier Techniques equal to the Tier you want to learn.”Wouldn’t this mean you needed to know 2 maneuvers to learn a Tier II maneuver?

“In order to learn a Martial Technique [Bloodline], you must already know a number of techniques equal to the tier of the Martial you are learning minus 1.”

@john, yeah lets leave that other argument in the other thread, one or two extra tricks isnt really going to bother most any focused martial character where it might have some slight impact on a dilletante kind of character and thats the idea behind this rule isnt it?

@john, yeah lets leave that other argument in the other thread, one or two extra tricks isnt really going to bother most any focused martial character where it might have some slight impact on a dilletante kind of character and thats the idea behind this rule isnt it?

As I said above, I’d prefer that both techniques and bloodlines follow the count method (rather than a talent/technique of exactly tier-1) and, for consistency, suggest tier-1 (there simply aren’t enough bloodline talents to require = tier).

. . . ummm, yes there are enough Bloodline talents to have at least 1/tier. There are 7 in total in a game designed around 5 Tiers of Play.

Not and have any options. If taking T4 requires a T3 bloodline then you have no choice (each family only has one T3). If taking a T4 requires 4 lower bloodline talents then you need 4 of 5 of the bloodline talents (which is very little choice). Also, gaining bloodline talents is harder than gaining martial techniques for martial archetypes (martial gets 2 techniques per advance but bloodline talents can only be gained via general talent advances (plus one from race)).