Customized Advanced Maneuvers

People are entitled to have an opinion. I think the fighting style is overpowered also.

and I think instead of limiting traditions, it should be limited to spells that affect avoidance and fortitude and not allow spells that affect discipline. there are already precidents in the system about those two type of attacks

I have been thinking of this option as well

I hope this isn’t the solution. Eliminating cool status effects from Arcane Strike greatly reduces it’s usefulness. Considering how easy it is to combine Avoidance and Discipine Spells, I don’t see why using them with Arcane Strike is suddenly overpowered a melee range.

John

SPIN THEIR CLOCK (Tier 1) – Eric Hughes
Base Maneuvers : Edge of the Shield + Shield Slam
Weapons : Small Shield
Attack : Fortitude (Mi)
Speed : 0(5)
Range : Melee (One Target)
Effect : Weapon Target is knocked prone, stunned, and their clock is pushed 8. You lose any benefit from the shield until you recover.

((Can you guys double check my math on this? Also, I listed it as a Tier 1 maneuver because you can adapt the shield slam weapon trick from the Large Shield to the small shield at Tier 1. But without adapt weapon trick then this would be a Tier 3 maneuver.)

SPIN THEIR CLOCK (Tier 2) – Eric Hughes
Base Maneuvers : Edge of the Shield + Shield Slam
Weapons : Small Shield
Attack : Fortitude (Mi)
Speed : 0(5)
Range : Melee (One Target)
Effect : Weapon Target is knocked prone, stunned, and their clock is pushed 8. You lose any benefit from the shield until you recover.

+0 (+4) and +2 (+3) becomes +2 (+7) (errata)
It also would only Push 4 (stacking rules and errata).

Full rewrite:

Base Maneuvers : Edge of the Shield + Shield Slam
Weapons : Small Shield
Attack : Fortitude (Mi)
Speed : +2 (+7)
Range : Melee (One Target)
Effect : Weapon Target is knocked prone, stunned, and their clock is pushed 4. Targets larger than the attacker are immune to this maneuver’s knockdown effect. You lose any benefit from the shield until you recover.

Greetings,

I know this thread has remained inactive for some time, but, given the title, it seemed like an appropriate place to start.

How would Spinning Strikes and Arcane Strike combine?

Page 29 of the Errata Document, v4.3, describes how Arcane Strike would combine with Sweeping Strike, but it does not include anything about two-weapon fighting. Would it follow a similar ruling in which you can apply the spell damage/effect to primary and off-hand attacks as long as you can adapt the spell to affect multiple targets? Or, would the interaction restrict you to only apply the spell damage/effect to either the primary attack or off-hand attack? Thoughts?

Thanks!
Kirk

You can’t combine Arcane Strike and Spinning Strikes, as Arcane Strike’s fighting style requires you to keep one hand free for spellcasting, even if you’re psionic.

Good evening,

Southernskies – Yes, thank you. I only meant in cases where we combine Spinning Strikes with Arcane Strike to create an Advanced Maneuver (even though I used “two-weapon fighting” towards the end). And, I see. It would only apply to the primary attack. As an aside, do we know of any instance where Spinning Strikes (or any other two-weapon fighting based maneuver) would apply effects across both primary and off-hand attacks?

FGJustice and Eric – The wording of the Chosen Weapons section for Arcimous Primus leads me to believe that the style is more open to variation based on the magical abilities of the practitioner.

“Chosen Weapons: Arcimous Primus utilizes primarily one-handed weapons as to keep the practitioner’s off hand free for spell casting.”

Perhaps I am misinterpreting this, but the description could potentially offer some flexibility in such cases where the practitioner is a Psion (and does not require a free hand for casting), uses unarmed/natural attacks, or possesses Quick Hands (ta) and wields one weapon in two hands. Other Chosen Weapon sections among other Fighting Styles do not include the word “primarily” and lay out certain requirements directly. I could be reaching, but it seems like it was intentionally left open to various weapon and spell type combat styles. Do we have other threads/posts/rulings available which specifically rule out these other possibilities?

Thank you all for your time and insight!

Cheers,
Kirk

I remember it being clarified at some point, but I can’t find the post with a casual search.

The crunch books get submissions from many different people and their writting styles and syntax are slightly different from each other. My reading of the fighting style is that your interpretation is reaching.

How so? By a literal reading of the rule, it is clear that it is not required to have a hand free (“primarily”). It’s impossible to know intent so all we can do is read the literal meaning of the rule. Also, given that there is the Talent to specifically allow using magic with a two-handed weapon “easily”, I would hope that the fighting style would work fine with a two-handed weapon.